A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 23 September 2012
So I was playing a local game and this combination came up and raised a question Dismissing the Cur vs Twin Forks City.
SO my opponent is playing Twin Forks City and I am playing Kyuden Otomo XP. He is attacking with Kakita Ichigiku(no attachments) and a Fruitless Search magristate. I have a Kakita Nara and Doji Shunya, with an unbowed Rengetsu still at home He sneaks and throws down a Duel to First Blood against my (honorable) Nara using Ichigiku. I strike and bow. Now it's my action and I play dismissing the cur (bowing my at home Rengetsu) and target his Ichigiku. And this were the issue begin to pile up. Dismissing the Cur reads: Battle: Bow your performing Courtier at any location and target an enemy Personality with equal or lower Personal Honor: Move him home. Destroy him if he has no attachments. Gain 2 Honor.
Twin Fork Cities Reads: After an action resolves that created a duel your Personality won during a Combat Segment, once per Personality per battle: Negate his next bowing, movement, or destruction from other players' cards' effects.
And this is were the pileup begane to happen. Dismissing the cur has 3 events/ effects that are activated individually (since each one is separated by a period) after target restrictions are met. #1 The target is Moved home #2The target is detroyed IF they have no attachments. #3 I gain 2 honor
Twin Forks's negation has what appears to be a single negation to 3 possible effects. It can negate Bowing OR Moving OR Destruction (as long as a duel has been won by the person being targeted). Because Our group interpretted ( perhaps incorrectly) That Twin Forks only stops one of those effects and not all or part that may be part of an action then when Dismissing is played on said personality, the boxs trait would go off preventing the move home since that was the first effect that hits. But then when the second effect is tested there is nothing to be able to stop itTwin Forks used its negation to stop the bowing and it doen't have anything left and so since Ichiguki has no attachments she would be detroyed. and the finally the 3rd effect would start which would be me gaining the 2 honor.
Now there was another question raised to this set of events. If the Twin forks City only negates one effect, can his controller choose which affect is negated? or must it negate the first possible option as soon as it is stated. Could my opponent have allowed Ichigiku to go home and then used the box negation to negate the detruction form Dismissing? We had said no, based off the wording of TFC that says the next bowing, movement, detruction, etc.... Since DIsmissing's 1st effect is to bow then the TFC would have to negate that effect.
I tried to pull out KNF since it also is a negation effective card and can negate multiple effects, but the key difference there is that KNF has the "and" included and not the "or" that is used in TFC.
So if you could let us now if we interpretted this right or point out the vast errors of our ways we/ I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 24 September 2012
So I was playing a local game and this combination came up and raised a question Dismissing the Cur vs Twin Forks City.
SO my opponent is playing Twin Forks City and I am playing Kyuden Otomo XP. He is attacking with Kakita Ichigiku(no attachments) and a Fruitless Search magristate. I have a Kakita Nara and Doji Shunya, with an unbowed Rengetsu still at home He sneaks and throws down a Duel to First Blood against my (honorable) Nara using Ichigiku. I strike and bow. Now it's my action and I play dismissing the cur (bowing my at home Rengetsu) and target his Ichigiku. And this were the issue begin to pile up. Dismissing the Cur reads: Battle: Bow your performing Courtier at any location and target an enemy Personality with equal or lower Personal Honor: Move him home. Destroy him if he has no attachments. Gain 2 Honor.
Twin Fork Cities Reads: After an action resolves that created a duel your Personality won during a Combat Segment, once per Personality per battle: Negate his next bowing, movement, or destruction from other players' cards' effects.
And this is were the pileup begane to happen. Dismissing the cur has 3 events/ effects that are activated individually (since each one is separated by a period) after target restrictions are met. #1 The target is Moved home #2The target is detroyed IF they have no attachments. #3 I gain 2 honor
Twin Forks's negation has what appears to be a single negation to 3 possible effects. It can negate Bowing OR Moving OR Destruction (as long as a duel has been won by the person being targeted). Because Our group interpretted ( perhaps incorrectly) That Twin Forks only stops one of those effects and not all or part that may be part of an action then when Dismissing is played on said personality, the boxs trait would go off preventing the move home since that was the first effect that hits. But then when the second effect is tested there is nothing to be able to stop itTwin Forks used its negation to stop the bowing and it doen't have anything left and so since Ichiguki has no attachments she would be detroyed. and the finally the 3rd effect would start which would be me gaining the 2 honor.
Now there was another question raised to this set of events. If the Twin forks City only negates one effect, can his controller choose which affect is negated? or must it negate the first possible option as soon as it is stated. Could my opponent have allowed Ichigiku to go home and then used the box negation to negate the detruction form Dismissing? We had said no, based off the wording of TFC that says the next bowing, movement, detruction, etc.... Since DIsmissing's 1st effect is to bow then the TFC would have to negate that effect.
I tried to pull out KNF since it also is a negation effective card and can negate multiple effects, but the key difference there is that KNF has the "and" included and not the "or" that is used in TFC.
So if you could let us now if we interpretted this right or point out the vast errors of our ways we/ I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
You appear to have interpreted everything correctly.
Twin Forks City's controller indeed cannot choose which effect of Dismissing the Cur it negates. It would stop the first effect, the movement, then the destruction (and of course Honor gain) would occur normally.