Fall on Your Knees vs. A Samurai's Fury

L5R CCG Rules board, 19 September 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 19 September 2012

[@MacBeth2001 and rules team: wanted to thank you again for all the prompt replies to my various Legacy rules questions since the Oracle came out. You rock.]

The original timing point for A Samurai's Fury was "after delayed terrains resolve", which was after the old "Battle Action" segment of a battle. In Oracle text has been rendered to "before this battle's resolution".

Given the battle sequence EE "cleanup", nothing exists (as I understand it) between the Combat segment and the Resolution segment, meaning that anything "before this battle's resolution" still happens during the Combat segment (or does it?)

Ergo, A Samurai's Fury now happens still during the Combat segment, and Fall on Your Knees is now able to negate it (which it couldn't before - that I'm pretty sure about).

Is this correct? [hopefully not. I always loved ASF. ]

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 19 September 2012

[@MacBeth2001 and rules team: wanted to thank you again for all the prompt replies to my various Legacy rules questions since the Oracle came out. You rock.]

The original timing point for A Samurai's Fury was "after delayed terrains resolve", which was after the old "Battle Action" segment of a battle. In Oracle text has been rendered to "before this battle's resolution".

Given the battle sequence EE "cleanup", nothing exists (as I understand it) between the Combat segment and the Resolution segment, meaning that anything "before this battle's resolution" still happens during the Combat segment (or does it?)

Ergo, A Samurai's Fury now happens still during the Combat segment, and Fall on Your Knees is now able to negate it (which it couldn't before - that I'm pretty sure about).

Is this correct? [hopefully not. I always loved ASF. ]

No, the above is not correct.

Triggers:

"A trigger of "after" one step in a sequence ends will happen prior to the trigger of "before" the next step begins. Both triggers happen between the two steps. Example: A triggered trait with the trigger "after your Dynasty Phase ends" comes before a triggered trait with the trigger "before your End Phase begins,” and happens in neither phase."