Glory of the Shogun + Indecision/Scorpion Wall

L5R CCG Rules board, 16 September 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 16 September 2012

Glory of the Shogun Until the game ends, equipping is a Battle/Open action (for all players), and after the first time each turn each player attaches a card with a base Gold Cost of 5 or more from his hand, that player may draw a card.

Indecision Reaction: After an action resolves, if its player has resolved two or more actions which put cards into his hand this phase: He discards two cards.

The Scorpion Wall is Finished Until the game ends, other players' actions will not discard cards from your hand, and if a player has resolved two actions that put cards in his hand in one phase, no more cards will be put into his hand that phase.

(Emphasis mine)

As my first Limited action I attach a card from hand with 5+GC to my personality and draw a card. Have I put a card in hand from an action for the sake of indecision/Scorpion wall?

I've had judges at tournaments say that it has been ruled both ways online and yet I couldn't find the ruling anywhere.

Thanks in advance.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 16 September 2012

Glory of the Shogun Until the game ends, equipping is a Battle/Open action (for all players), and after the first time each turn each player attaches a card with a base Gold Cost of 5 or more from his hand, that player may draw a card.

Indecision Reaction: After an action resolves, if its player has resolved two or more actions which put cards into his hand this phase: He discards two cards.

The Scorpion Wall is Finished Until the game ends, other players' actions will not discard cards from your hand, and if a player has resolved two actions that put cards in his hand in one phase, no more cards will be put into his hand that phase.

(Emphasis mine)

As my first Limited action I attach a card from hand with 5+GC to my personality and draw a card. Have I put a card in hand from an action for the sake of indecision/Scorpion wall?

I've had judges at tournaments say that it has been ruled both ways online and yet I couldn't find the ruling anywhere.

Thanks in advance.

The ongoing, indefinite conditional effect from Glory of the Shogun is what put the card in your hand, not whatever action attached the card that activated said effect.

Therefore, drawing a card from it does NOT count toward Indecision or The Scorpion Wall is Finished.

And no, it's never been ruled here any differently than that.