A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 15 September 2012
Hi,
I think my way of thinking is good but need some claryfikation.
My personality win a duel and get the trait from Twin Forks City, my opponent use a battle action from his stronghold Suitengu's Torch wchich is Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Personality and target an enemy Personality: Move him home. and then he want to use a reaction from stronghold that this movement will not be negated, but I think the movement will be negatedd becouse the triger from Twin Forks comes before the reaction from stronghold and the ation is I think lost and my opponent cannot react with this reaction. Am I wright?
Another example is when the same situation (and this is my turn and I am activ player) but my personality didnt won any duel and I want to negate the movement from Suitengu's Torch by Know no fear becouse I have the first reaction, then my opponent use the reaction from Suitengu's Torch, then can I use Inexorable to negate the negation from Suitengu's Torch of my negation (know no fear)? I think I can.
The same situation as abowe but I am not the activ player so, my opponent plays Suitengu's Torch battle action and then he use reaction first becouse hi is the activ player, can I then use the Know no fear as the reaction for battle and Inexorable as the reaction to reaction to negate the reaction from Suitengu's Torch? I think I cannot becouse The reaction doesnt negate any think in this situation but it is only a bonus for battle action.
Suitengu's Torch: Thunder Reaction: After you announce a Thunder Battle action: Its effects will not be negated or delayed. Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Personality and target an enemy Personality: Move him home.
Twin Forks City: After an action resolves that created a duel your Personality won during a Combat Segment, once per Personality per battle: Negate his next bowing, movement, or destruction from other players' cards' effects.
Know no Fear: Reaction: After another player's action targets your performing Samurai: Negate his bowing and movement from the action's effects. Reaction: After a Fear action targets your performing Samurai: Negate its effects.
Inexorable: Reaction: After another player announces a Reaction during the Combat Segment: Its effects will not negate other effects.
Sory for my grama and thx for reply.
Jon Palmer (rules official), 24 September 2012
Hi,
I think my way of thinking is good but need some claryfikation.
My personality win a duel and get the trait from Twin Forks City, my opponent use a battle action from his stronghold Suitengu's Torch wchich is Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Personality and target an enemy Personality: Move him home. and then he want to use a reaction from stronghold that this movement will not be negated, but I think the movement will be negatedd becouse the triger from Twin Forks comes before the reaction from stronghold and the ation is I think lost and my opponent cannot react with this reaction. Am I wright?
Another example is when the same situation (and this is my turn and I am activ player) but my personality didnt won any duel and I want to negate the movement from Suitengu's Torch by Know no fear becouse I have the first reaction, then my opponent use the reaction from Suitengu's Torch, then can I use Inexorable to negate the negation from Suitengu's Torch of my negation (know no fear)? I think I can.
The same situation as abowe but I am not the activ player so, my opponent plays Suitengu's Torch battle action and then he use reaction first becouse hi is the activ player, can I then use the Know no fear as the reaction for battle and Inexorable as the reaction to reaction to negate the reaction from Suitengu's Torch? I think I cannot becouse The reaction doesnt negate any think in this situation but it is only a bonus for battle action.
Suitengu's Torch: Thunder Reaction: After you announce a Thunder Battle action: Its effects will not be negated or delayed. Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Personality and target an enemy Personality: Move him home.
Twin Forks City: After an action resolves that created a duel your Personality won during a Combat Segment, once per Personality per battle: Negate his next bowing, movement, or destruction from other players' cards' effects.
Know no Fear: Reaction: After another player's action targets your performing Samurai: Negate his bowing and movement from the action's effects. Reaction: After a Fear action targets your performing Samurai: Negate its effects.
Inexorable: Reaction: After another player announces a Reaction during the Combat Segment: Its effects will not negate other effects.
Sory for my grama and thx for reply.
1. Since Suitengu's Torch's trigger is the announcement of the action, this is before Twin Forks attempts to negate, and the negation will be prevented.
2. Suitengu's Torch does not "negate" negation. It says the action's effects will not be negated. This cannot be stopped via Inexorable.
3. Keep in mind that Know No Fear's trigger is after targeting, and will always come after Suitengu's Torch's trigger of announcement.