Kyuden Hida Experienced+Imperial Artificer

L5R CCG Rules board, 18 June 2011 to 21 June 2011

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 18 June 2011

Type Holding Title Imperial Artificer Rarity Common Edition Enemy of My Enemy [ View Printings ] Text Imperial Bow this card: Produce 2 Gold. If this pays for a Follower or Item attaching to a Samurai, you may draw a card, then discard a card. Gold 2

Type Stronghold Title Kyuden Hida (Experienced) Rarity Fixed Edition Before the Dawn [ View Printings ] Clan Crab Text Shadowlands • Experienced Recon Reaction: After engaging, target the current battlefield's province: Create and attach a 0F Scout Follower to each of one to three of your Personalities in your current army. Remove those Followers from the game after the battle ends

Can you react with Imperial Artificer in reference to Kyuden Hida's reaction, to let you draw and then dicard a card.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 18 June 2011

Can you react with Imperial Artificer in reference to Kyuden Hida's reaction, to let you draw and then dicard a card.

Not exactly.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_FAQ#Can_I_draw_ ... s_token.3F

A player, 20 June 2011

in response to viewtopic.php?f=59&t=91765 (i felt that the answer was not clear)

1)declare an attack 2)assign 3 units to attack the same province 3)react with Kyuden Hida (Experienced) and create up to 3 scout followers 4)bow Imperial artificers to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 5)start battle etc.

is this legal?

with 3 copies of imperial artificers:

1)declare an attack 2)assign 3 units to attack the same province 3)react with Kyuden Hida (Experienced) and create up to 3 scout followers 4a)bow Imperial artificers#1 to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 4b)bow Imperial artificers#2 to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 4c)bow Imperial artificers#3 to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 5)start battle etc.

is this legal?

if not please specify.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 20 June 2011

in response to viewtopic.php?f=59&t=91765 (i felt that the answer was not clear)

1)declare an attack 2)assign 3 units to attack the same province 3)react with Kyuden Hida (Experienced) and create up to 3 scout followers 4)bow Imperial artificers to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 5)start battle etc.

is this legal?

with 3 copies of imperial artificers:

1)declare an attack 2)assign 3 units to attack the same province 3)react with Kyuden Hida (Experienced) and create up to 3 scout followers 4a)bow Imperial artificers#1 to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 4b)bow Imperial artificers#2 to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 4c)bow Imperial artificers#3 to pay an extra 2 gold for one of the followers. draw a card and discard a card. 5)start battle etc.

is this legal?

if not please specify.

From the quoted bit of the FAQ (http://rules.l5r.com/CE_FAQ#Can_I_draw_ ... s_token.3F): "(Y)ou are allowed to overpay the token Follower’s zero gold cost using Imperial Artificer and gain its benefits that way."

Would appreciate any input on how to make that clearer.

A player, 21 June 2011

From this post

Answer to Zen's question : By removing the word Token, as they are not Tokens, but created cards.