Draw Attention and Duels

L5R CCG Rules board, 31 March 2011 to 1 April 2011

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 31 March 2011

As topic says... am I allowed to react with Draw Attention after a destruction duel (using Steel on Steel as an example)?

Draw Attention: Focus Effect: After a Personality loses this duel, his controller loses 2 Honor. Reaction: After the resolution of one of your Battle actions whose effects destroyed an enemy card: Gain 2 Honor.

Steel on Steel: Iaijutsu Battle: Target your unbowed Personality: He challenges a target enemy Personality. Destroy the duel's loser.

Thanks!

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 31 March 2011

As topic says... am I allowed to react with Draw Attention after a destruction duel (using Steel on Steel as an example)?

Draw Attention: Focus Effect: After a Personality loses this duel, his controller loses 2 Honor. Reaction: After the resolution of one of your Battle actions whose effects destroyed an enemy card: Gain 2 Honor.

Steel on Steel: Iaijutsu Battle: Target your unbowed Personality: He challenges a target enemy Personality. Destroy the duel's loser.

Thanks!

More generally, "Is duel destruction a card effect?"

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Effects#Source_of_effects: "Duels come from the effect that created their associated challenge, not the rulebook."

A player, 1 April 2011

in regards too http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=89757#p1190138 Zen leaves the answer pretty ambiguous and doesn’t even answer his own question

"More generally, "Is duel destruction a card effect?"

"Duels come from the effect that created their associated challenge, not the rulebook."

this just says the duel comes from an effect and nothing about the destruction. just to clarify this a bit, Steel on Steel states that the duel destroyes the loser, whereas the rulebook states There is no default consequence of winning or losing a duel. Some effects may use the phrases "for winning a duel" or "for losing a duel." These phrases refer to another effect that was triggered by, or conditional on, winning or losing a duel -- such as, an honor gain "for winning a duel" refers to effects such as "If he wins the duel, gain 2 Honor" or "Reaction: After one of your Personality wins a duel: Gain 2 Honor."

surely this means that the destruction from the duel is an effect of the card correct?

Alex Jones (rules official), 1 April 2011

in regards too http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=89757#p1190138 Zen leaves the answer pretty ambiguous and doesn’t even answer his own question

"More generally, "Is duel destruction a card effect?"

"Duels come from the effect that created their associated challenge, not the rulebook."

this just says the duel comes from an effect and nothing about the destruction. just to clarify this a bit, Steel on Steel states that the duel destroyes the loser, whereas the rulebook states There is no default consequence of winning or losing a duel. Some effects may use the phrases "for winning a duel" or "for losing a duel." These phrases refer to another effect that was triggered by, or conditional on, winning or losing a duel -- such as, an honor gain "for winning a duel" refers to effects such as "If he wins the duel, gain 2 Honor" or "Reaction: After one of your Personality wins a duel: Gain 2 Honor."

surely this means that the destruction from the duel is an effect of the card correct?

Yes.

The destruction from Steel on Steel is a card effect, and that destruction occurs during the resolution step of the action.