Sunrise Keep and Clan Alignment Issues

L5R CCG Rules board, 9 November 2009 to 16 February 2010

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 9 November 2009

If there is a card that refers to Clan Alignment, how does that work. Specifically, would you be able to use Besieged Borderland at all if you are running with Sunrise Keep?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 9 November 2009

If there is a card that refers to Clan Alignment, how does that work.

Too general to answer.

Specifically, would you be able to use Besieged Borderland at all if you are running with Sunrise Keep?

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_The_Player#Clan_alignment: "A player using an unaligned Stronghold (one with no Clan alignment) has no Clan alignment. An unaligned player does not have the same Clan alignment as unaligned Personalities."

Besieged Borderlands looks for Personalities "without your Clan alignment," which implies you have one to begin with. Since you don't, the effect will fail.

A player, 9 November 2009

Referring to: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=80040

Despite the card implying (sp?) you have a clan alignment, it does say WITHOUT your clan alignment. If you have no clan alignment, then none of your personalities in play share a clan alignment with you.

Why does not having a clan alignment make this action fail, when in fact, it should make it easier to play.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 9 November 2009

Referring to: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=80040

Despite the card implying (sp?) you have a clan alignment, it does say WITHOUT your clan alignment. If you have no clan alignment, then none of your personalities in play share a clan alignment with you.

Why does not having a clan alignment make this action fail, when in fact, it should make it easier to play.

Comment noted, but no change now.

A player, 22 December 2009

As I have no Clan Alignment if I play Sunrise Keep, does Besieged Borderland provide its bonus? Or does "without your Clan alignment" become nullified since I do not have an alignment at all?

Certainly, if I have no alignment, then every non-Unique Personality I play is necessarily without my Clan alignment, but I would like to make sure this is within the spirit of the card and not just technicality.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 22 December 2009

As I have no Clan Alignment if I play Sunrise Keep, does Besieged Borderland provide its bonus? Or does "without your Clan alignment" become nullified since I do not have an alignment at all?

Certainly, if I have no alignment, then every non-Unique Personality I play is necessarily without my Clan alignment, but I would like to make sure this is within the spirit of the card and not just technicality.

Already asked and answered here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=80040

I may try to merge this thread with the earlier one...

Search function is all too often overlooked (even I'm guilty of that!). Give it some love.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 16 February 2010

The above ruling is being reversed following some discussion between the Design Team and the Rules Junta.

"Without your Clan alignment" will now include cards with no clan alignment.