A few questions and Rules and Opinions

L5R CCG Rules board, 16 September 2009 to 17 September 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 16 September 2009

Ok this is mainly a Question on how and where to go with the following questions as well as I would like some opinions on them if they should still be like this cause its a little questionable

Permanent Encampment, 2g Holding bow for 2 gold or 3 for a attachment. - Battle: Straighten Your target attachment. You may transfer it to your target personality.

Seven Waves Mercenaries - 7f 9gc - After the first time each turn this card bows: straighten it. - Battle/Open: Transfer this card to your target Personality. You may take an additional action appropriate to this phase

-- The question to these 2 cards is.. Can either or both move onto a personality in the current battle from outside the battle? like guy 1 with follower, Guy 2 is in battle and needs to take prov slap the follower over to him? is that able or legal to do?

second question. Isawa Fosuta Exp. 2F 5Chi HR - GC 7 Ph 0 Maho open: bow fosuta: lose 6honor. While Fosuta remains bowed, you may negate his straightening and, at the start of each turn, you may target a personality and give him a -1f/-1c Curse token. After the next time this game Fosuta straightens or leaves play, destroy all curse tokens.

Ok I do not mean to be like a Yank the rule and slurr it to my advantage type but this Actually came up twice. IF my card says Straighten or bow target personality, Could he cancel it?, Now before you jump to your YES or NO answer Let me show you the problem I currently have, When a action has a "." you can stop 1 effect in the action and continue the rest, But if it has a "," you will stop all following actions. Meaning if you Negate start of turn straightening And i play something that could straighten you "there is a few cards that do so" could you stop it?

Also that you cancel your straightening part of your ACTION on the card, It does not say you can do it more then once.. and in the rules, you may only take the same action/reaction once per turn unless otherwise stated. so since it is used by a "," would it be able to stop me from straightening it.

To explain the argument of the problem, my card bows you it says " Maho open: bow Fosuta: "cost" Lose 6 honor. "action" everything after the "." cant be used due to action has not triggered right?, this might be a simple but stupid question but consider it due to the fact i had a guy in my ear Wanting that exact answer and did not trust the 2 people answering him.

now for Second question On Fosuta. While he is bowed and you use "The direct Approach" it says the following "open: give a target personality -1F for each of his keywords other then Clan alignments. If his force is now 0, he may not perform actions." And i Kill him.... Would his tokens stay in play?

Ok this is a older question with the newer rules, Items used to give force bonuses if you canceled them with a card it would recheck and give another bonus follow up, so the confusion i got currently. Armor of Legacy, "this personality has +1F for each samurai you control." Would this be considered a action after each recheck since.. they changed Action is action not action Cards which are known as Strategy. Aka if you wish to know the exact reason, "Shameful Injury battle: even if you control no units at the current battlefield: negate all current force bonuses and penalties a target personality has recieved from actions. Until the turn ends, negate all new Force bonuses or penalties to him from actions"

this question is Shameful injury stop armor of legacy? if i "will" in middle of battle? aka rechecking/force bonus?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 17 September 2009

Permanent Encampment + Seven Waves Mercenaries: Can either or both move onto a personality in the current battle from outside the battle?

Yes. Nothing limits the transfer to the same location (http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Glossary_T#Transfer or card text)

Additional: Although nothing limits the transfer to the same location, in this case, targeting is an issue; see posts below.

Isawa Fosuta Exp.: IF my card says Straighten or bow target personality, Could he cancel it?

"Cancelling" does not exist any more.

But if it has a "," you will stop all following actions.

That's incorrect. All effects are separate: http://rules.l5r.com/CE_FAQ#If_one_effe ... _happen.3F

While he is bowed and you use "The direct Approach" it says the following "open: give a target personality -1F for each of his keywords other then Clan alignments. If his force is now 0, he may not perform actions." And i Kill him.... Would his tokens stay in play?

He has left play, which is a condition for token destruction. So the tokens are destroyed.

Shameful injury stop armor of legacy? if i "will" in middle of battle?

The armor's bonus is from a trait, not an action, and is not affected by Shameful Injury.

I don't understand what Will has to do with the question.

A player, 17 September 2009

"Permanent Encampment + Seven Waves Mercenaries: Can either or both move onto a personality in the current battle from outside the battle?" "Yes. Nothing limits the transfer to the same location (http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Glossary_T#Transfer or card text)"

Since Transferring isn't movement, doesn't the fact that Permanent Encampment targets mean that you don't meet the first part of the Rule of Location (1. A card in a unit must be at the current battlefield to be targeted by a Battle action.) whilst the action being printed on Seven Waves Mercenaries means you don't meet the second for them (2. If a Battle action is on a card in a unit (a Personality or attachment in play), the unit must be at the current battlefield in order to take that action.)

Alex Jones (rules official), 17 September 2009

"Permanent Encampment + Seven Waves Mercenaries: Can either or both move onto a personality in the current battle from outside the battle?" "Yes. Nothing limits the transfer to the same location (http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Glossary_T#Transfer or card text)"

Since Transferring isn't movement, doesn't the fact that Permanent Encampment targets mean that you don't meet the first part of the Rule of Location (1. A card in a unit must be at the current battlefield to be targeted by a Battle action.) whilst the action being printed on Seven Waves Mercenaries means you don't meet the second for them (2. If a Battle action is on a card in a unit (a Personality or attachment in play), the unit must be at the current battlefield in order to take that action.)

Correct. You cannot satisfy the exception to the Rule of Location by transfering an attachment into the battle; you must move its unit.