Civil Discussion and assignment

L5R CCG Rules board, 16 September 2009

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A player, 16 September 2009

Hi all,

Due to the "After each time any player assigns" of Civil Discussion and the following parts of the rules: 1) Can I affirm that the assignment during the infantry maneuvers segment and during the cavalry maneuvers segment are 2 differents times a player assigns? Then, a player could loses up to 3 honors during the infantry maneuvers segment and up to 3 during the cavalry maneuvers segment? 2) When I play a Retribution, unit's assignments make their players to lose again up to 3 honors (or up to 6 if the first question's answer is yes)?

Assign

Maneuvers Segments The Attacker/Defender chooses, from his home, any number of his units whose Personality is unbowed. He assigns these units to any battlefields in any arrangement desired.

Civil Discussion Open: Target your unbowed Courtier: After each time any player assigns he loses 1 Honor for each unit he assigned, or 3 Honor, whichever is lower.

Retribution Reaction: After the end of an Attack Phase in which you were the Defender: Create an additional Attack Phase of your own in which you must choose the previous phase's Attacker as the Defender. Neither player may invite allies and you may only assign one unit. Give the Personality and each Follower in that unit +1F after it assigns.

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In other way, does this answer still right for an Ambush?

Ambush Limited: Target your unbowed Personality: Create a battlefield (not at any province). Assign your Personality's unit to attack there. Assign another player’s target unit to defend there, even if its Personality is bowed. Other units will not move there. Fight a battle there (after this action's resolution). After the battle ends, lose 5 Honor.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 16 September 2009

Civil Discussion: the assignment during the infantry maneuvers segment and during the cavalry maneuvers segment are 2 differents times a player assigns? Then, a player could loses up to 3 honors during the infantry maneuvers segment and up to 3 during the cavalry maneuvers segment?

Yes.

When I play a Retribution, unit's assignments make their players to lose again up to 3 honors (or up to 6 if the first question's answer is yes)?

Assignment during retribution will trigger Civil Discussion's effect, but because Retribution limits assignment to one unit, players couldn't lose 6 honor.

A player, 16 September 2009

regarding this post RE:Civil Discussion and assignment

I wanted to clarify something I found confusing in Zen's reply:

Zen wrote: "Assignment during retribution will trigger Civil Discussion's effect, but because Retribution limits assignment to one unit, players couldn't lose 6 honor."

My question is, does the phrase "and you may only assign one unit." in Retribution apply to only the person playing Retribution, or does it apply to both players?

Zen's reply seems to suggest that it applies to both players, but I wasn't able to find that when I searched. Should Zen's reply be worded more to the affect of "Assignment during retribution will trigger Civil Discussion's effect, but because Retribution limits assignment to one unit, the person that played Retribution couldn't lose 6 honor."?

Retribution Reaction: After the end of an Attack Phase in which you were the Defender: Create an additional Attack Phase of your own in which you must choose the previous phase's Attacker as the Defender. Neither player may invite allies and you may only assign one unit. Give the Personality and each Follower in that unit +1F after it assigns.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 16 September 2009

regarding this post RE:Civil Discussion and assignment

I wanted to clarify something I found confusing in Zen's reply:

Zen wrote: "Assignment during retribution will trigger Civil Discussion's effect, but because Retribution limits assignment to one unit, players couldn't lose 6 honor."

My question is, does the phrase "and you may only assign one unit." in Retribution apply to only the person playing Retribution, or does it apply to both players?

Zen's reply seems to suggest that it applies to both players, but I wasn't able to find that when I searched. Should Zen's reply be worded more to the affect of "Assignment during retribution will trigger Civil Discussion's effect, but because Retribution limits assignment to one unit, the person that played Retribution couldn't lose 6 honor."?

Retribution Reaction: After the end of an Attack Phase in which you were the Defender: Create an additional Attack Phase of your own in which you must choose the previous phase's Attacker as the Defender. Neither player may invite allies and you may only assign one unit. Give the Personality and each Follower in that unit +1F after it assigns.

The one unit limit only applies to the player using Retribution. Bad use of plurals in previous answer. Sorry.