A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 15 September 2009
Hi all,
Regarding these parts of the rules: In play and out of play Cards that are not in play or in a resolution, entering-play or focusing area have the following limitations: * They may not be targeted. * They are not affected by effects. Honorable and dishonorable If, during one of these effects, the rehonoring is negated or otherwise fails, the Honor is still not gained.
I have Matsu Ushio in play and dishonored and use his battle ability. Then, what's happen at the second effect's activation? 1) He's rehonored and I don't gain the 2 honors 2) I attempt to rehonor him but fail and don't gain the 2 honors 3) He's not rehonored and I gain the 2 honors 4) Obi-Wan Kenobi
I think 2) but I'm not sure. (Could you explain the reasons, please)
Matsu Ushio Battle: Destroy Ushio: Destroy a target enemy card with equal or lower Gold Cost. Gain 2 Honor.
Alex Jones (rules official), 17 September 2009
Hi all,
Regarding these parts of the rules: In play and out of play Cards that are not in play or in a resolution, entering-play or focusing area have the following limitations: * They may not be targeted. * They are not affected by effects. Honorable and dishonorable If, during one of these effects, the rehonoring is negated or otherwise fails, the Honor is still not gained.
I have Matsu Ushio in play and dishonored and use his battle ability. Then, what's happen at the second effect's activation? 1) He's rehonored and I don't gain the 2 honors 2) I attempt to rehonor him but fail and don't gain the 2 honors 3) He's not rehonored and I gain the 2 honors 4) Obi-Wan Kenobi
I think 2) but I'm not sure. (Could you explain the reasons, please)
Matsu Ushio Battle: Destroy Ushio: Destroy a target enemy card with equal or lower Gold Cost. Gain 2 Honor.
You are correct.
Before a player gains Honor from an action or trait that targeted, came from, or was performed by one or more of his or her dishonorable Personalities, the Personality is rehonored and the player does not gain the Honor.
Because Matsu Ushio is out of play, and the above sentence does not explicitly rehonour Personalities out of play, the rehonouring effect does not affect him. Thus, Matsu Ushio remains dishonourable, and you do not gain the Honour.