Continuous Issue (Chi Death vs Crab)

L5R CCG Rules board, 13 March 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 13 March 2009

I was reading the comprehensive rules and finding myself a little confused.

i also searched the forums, and asked on the scorpion boards...and all answers lead me to the solution i was looking for.

yet i think i still need a little clarification, because i don't want to cheat.

Chi Death

This destruction from zero Chi is continuously applied. Special rules apply to its negation. Ongoing and instantaneous effects that negate destruction, such as the trait "Before this card is destroyed: Negate the destruction," will not negate destruction from zero Chi (see Effects). Only a continuous negation effect (for example, "This Personality cannot be destroyed" as a trait), or an effect that specifically refers to the zero Chi rule (for example, "Until the end of the turn, he is not destroyed for having 0 Chi") can overcome the Personality's destruction.

Crab Stuff

Razor of the Dawn Castle: Text Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends

Courage in Death: Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Give another target Personality a Force bonus equal to your Personality's Chi. If you are a Crab Clan player, delay your Personality's destruction until after the battle ends.

Do Razor of the Dawn Castle and Courage in Death stop death from 0 chi?

I don't think they do, and everything i've read tells me they don't. Sorry if this has been asked a lot.

Alex Jones (rules official), 13 March 2009

I was reading the comprehensive rules and finding myself a little confused.

i also searched the forums, and asked on the scorpion boards...and all answers lead me to the solution i was looking for.

yet i think i still need a little clarification, because i don't want to cheat.

Chi Death

This destruction from zero Chi is continuously applied. Special rules apply to its negation. Ongoing and instantaneous effects that negate destruction, such as the trait "Before this card is destroyed: Negate the destruction," will not negate destruction from zero Chi (see Effects). Only a continuous negation effect (for example, "This Personality cannot be destroyed" as a trait), or an effect that specifically refers to the zero Chi rule (for example, "Until the end of the turn, he is not destroyed for having 0 Chi") can overcome the Personality's destruction.

Crab Stuff

Razor of the Dawn Castle: Text Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends

Courage in Death: Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Give another target Personality a Force bonus equal to your Personality's Chi. If you are a Crab Clan player, delay your Personality's destruction until after the battle ends.

Do Razor of the Dawn Castle and Courage in Death stop death from 0 chi?

I don't think they do, and everything i've read tells me they don't. Sorry if this has been asked a lot.

Please use the search function before posting: it didn't take me long to find this.