Ikoma Asa and Dynasty phase

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 May 2008

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A player, 27 May 2008

if i have one Ikoma Asa in play (Lion Clan • Artisan • Historian • Poet Lion Clan Samurai you own in and out of play have +1 Honor Requirement, +1PH, and a maximum Personal Honor of 5.)

During my dynasty phase, i put one Matsu Yufu in play paying all cost.

I gain 4 or 5 honor ?

Thanks a lot

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 27 May 2008

if i have one Ikoma Asa in play (Lion Clan • Artisan • Historian • Poet Lion Clan Samurai you own in and out of play have +1 Honor Requirement, +1PH, and a maximum Personal Honor of 5.)

During my dynasty phase, i put one Matsu Yufu in play paying all cost.

I gain 4 or 5 honor ?

Thanks a lot

If I read your example properly, you will gain 5 Honor.

The long version:

Asa is in play, so her trait is in affect (http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Traits:

"While their card is in play, continuous traits apply their effects.

While their card is out of play, continuous traits affect the card they are on, and only that card, unless the trait states otherwise.")

Her trait affects your Lion Clan Samurai that are out of play because it says so, bypassing the restriction that effects can only affect cards in play.

If you elect to not take the "Clan discount" when paying for Yufu, you gain her Personal Honor just before she enters play as an effect of her entering play (Citation). Since Asa's trait is already affecting Yufu at this point, you would gain 5.