Stone breaker + Determination

L5R CCG Rules board, 11 May 2008

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A player, 11 May 2008

hey

we have a discussion going on and the question is weather stone breaker can be challanged with determination or not

stone breaker:

Nonhuman • Siege • Unique Can not attach Items. Can not challenge or be challenged. Is not destroyed for having 0 Chi. Has -6F while it has no unbowed Followers. Battle: If Stone Breaker is bowed, bow a Follower in its unit: Straighten Stone Breaker.

i really would appreciate a long explaination because i would like to understand why it is how it is

thanks a lot

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 11 May 2008

(Can Stone Breaker) be challanged with determination(?)

It can.

http://rules.l5r.com/Glossary_C#Cannot: "When found in card text, and when referring to a type of cost or effect (e.g., bowing, Force bonuses), 'cannot' (or 'can not') means that a certain type of effect or cost is negated whenever it occurs."

Exceptions are important, so let's check those:

"EXCEPTION: In card text, when referring to entering play, targeting, attaching, using a trait, or taking an action, 'cannot' is a restriction on the legality of that thing in the first place, not negation of its effects." Challenging is neither entering play, targeting, attaching, using a trait, or taking an action, so none of those exceptions apply.