A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 10 May 2008
Kyoso no Oni Exp 3
Honor loss is a trait. See: http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Traits
http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Order_of_effects: "Effects occur in the order they are written."
Kyoso no Oni enters play, since both honor loss and her destroy effect are both traits, I can opt to destroy her before losing the honor. Correct?
If I destroy her before losing the honor she is now out of play, thus ending further application of entering play traits/effects correct?
Ie I destroy her by her own trait and as a result do not lose honor. Correct?
[Mod edit: Card title corrected. -ZF]
A player, 14 May 2008
This is under discussion in the Rules Junta.
Roger Giner-Sorolla (rules official), 20 May 2008
Kyoso no Oni Exp 3
Honor loss is a trait. See: http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Traits
http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Order_of_effects: "Effects occur in the order they are written."
Kyoso no Oni enters play, since both honor loss and her destroy effect are both traits, I can opt to destroy her before losing the honor. Correct?
Yes, although effects occur in order, both the honor loss and destruction trait are triggered to the same occurrence; the honor loss trait is implicitly "after entering play" just like the destruction trait. Thus, the traits' effects occur in an order chosen by the active player.
If I destroy her before losing the honor she is now out of play, thus ending further application of entering play traits/effects correct?
The most consistent reading, in line with the Comprehensive Rules, is that both sets of effects are triggered at the same time, and both must be applied even if one of them makes the card they were on leaves play. So, no. I've clarified this here:
http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Traits
Ie I destroy her by her own trait and as a result do not lose honor. Correct?
No.