Kill Adeiko + Determination

L5R CCG Rules board, 9 April 2008

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A player, 9 April 2008

If I Kill Adeiko with Determination can she reaction to her own dead?

Martin Lund (rules official), 9 April 2008

Dark Virtue Reaction: Before you announce an action, target one of your Samurai: The action can not have its effects negated or have its targeting changed. After the action destroys any Personality, remove him from the game.

Reaction: After a battle resolution or another player's trait or action resolves, if its effects destroyed one of your Personalities at Adeiko's location (including Adeiko): Give a target Personality a -3F/-1C token, and an additional -1C token if he is dishonorable.

Adeiko's Reaction can not be taken until after the action in question resolves. By the time that opportunity to take a Reaction comes up, Adeiko has been Removed From the Game due to Determination's effect, and you can not use the ability on her card due to her being Removed From the Game.