A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 9 November 2007
Hi, here is another stupid question:
I play Razor of the Dawn Castle. My opponement announces a Determination before playing a Hired Killer on Hida kuon xp5. I delay the death with the Razor of the Dawn Castle. At the end of the turn, my Kuon dies and i try to save him with a Duty, destroying another of my samurai.
What happens?
Does my kuon still die? If he dies, will he still be removed from the game?
Razor of the Dawn Castle: Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends.
Determination: Dark Virtue Reaction: Before you announce an action, target one of your Samurai: The action can not have its effects negated or have its targeting changed. After the action destroys any Personality, remove him from the game.
Duty: Bushido Virtue Reaction: Before another player’s card’s effect destroys one of your Personalities, destroy one of your honorable Samurai Personalities at the same location: Negate the first Personality’s destruction.
Martin Lund (rules official), 9 November 2007
Hi, here is another stupid question:
I play Razor of the Dawn Castle. My opponement announces a Determination before playing a Hired Killer on Hida kuon xp5. I delay the death with the Razor of the Dawn Castle. At the end of the turn, my Kuon dies and i try to save him with a Duty, destroying another of my samurai.
What happens?
Does my kuon still die? If he dies, will he still be removed from the game?
Razor of the Dawn Castle: Before another player's card's effect destroys one of your Samurai: Once per turn, you may delay the destruction until the current turn ends.
Determination: Dark Virtue Reaction: Before you announce an action, target one of your Samurai: The action can not have its effects negated or have its targeting changed. After the action destroys any Personality, remove him from the game.
Duty: Bushido Virtue Reaction: Before another player’s card’s effect destroys one of your Personalities, destroy one of your honorable Samurai Personalities at the same location: Negate the first Personality’s destruction.
I'm discussing this with the rest of the Rules Team.
Thanks for your patience.
Martin Lund (rules official), 21 November 2007
After extensive consultation, we've concluded that any effects Delayed until "the end of the turn" will get applied before any "until the end of the turn" duration effects expire.
So Determination will still be in effect when the delayed Destruction Effect is applied.
- Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey