Bayushi Paneki Exp 4 and Scorpion's Strength

L5R CCG Rules board, 17 September 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 17 September 2007

Regarding this ruling...

How does this affect (or not affect) Bayushi Paneki Exp 4?

Bayushi Paneki Scorpion Clan • Clan Champion • Samurai • Tactician • Hero • Experienced 4 • Unique • Loyal After another player's action resolves that targeted one or more Personalities at Paneki's location: The player loses 1 Honor. Battle: Target a Personality; if he is a Courtier, he may be at any location. Destroy him if he is Dishonorable. Dishonor him.

The Scorpion's Strength Battle: Target one of your Scorpion Clan Personalities: Bow, then move home, a target dishonorable Personality opposing him. You may target and dishonor a Personality in the enemy army.

It seems to me that both cards have an action that has two effects. With Paneki, the first effect might not happen (it's conditional), then the 2nd effect may happen. The 2nd effect goes off, even if the first one doesn't happen (like if Destruction was negated somehow). Granted, dishonoring a dishonored person does nothing, but it still happens. The two effects are separate.

Why doesn't the Strength's 2nd effect happen regardless of the other effect?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 17 September 2007

Why doesn't the Strength's 2nd effect happen regardless of the other effect?

You can't take an action without all required targets. This is in the FAQ. http://rules.l5r.com/FAQ

Wow, deja vu.

"A target dishonorable Personality" is a required target. As in, you have to do it. If there is not a dishonorable Personality, you can't take the action.