Lies, Lies, Lies... + Chuda Hankyu

L5R CCG Rules board, 10 August 2007 to 28 November 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 10 August 2007

Lies, Lies, Lies... Political Limited: If you have no cards in play or in your discard piles that cause their player an Honor loss or have the Shadowlands, Ninja, or Kolat keywords: Gain 8 Honor; this gain can not raise your Family Honor above its starting value.

Chuda Hankyu +2F / +0C Weapon Battle: Destroy this card and dishonor this Personality: Lose 3 Honor. Destroy a target Follower, or Personality without Followers, with a Force less than 5 at any location.

Do I gain the Honor from Lies, Lies, Lies... if I have a Chuda Hankyu in my discard pile? The item itself does not cause an Honor-loss, it only has an action that does. Thank you!

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 10 August 2007

Do I gain the Honor from Lies, Lies, Lies... if I have a Chuda Hankyu in my discard pile?

Yes.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 28 November 2007

Reversal on this. Honor losses occurring as unconditional effects fall within the bounds of "a card that causes an honor loss."