Suitengu's Surge and Umasu Sensei

L5R CCG Rules board, 7 February 2005

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A player, 7 February 2005

Suitengu's Surge

1.If I use kolat assassin in a personality and my oponents use suitengu's surge what happen?

I lose my gold in kolat does nothing or i choose another target because suitengu's says "Before target"?

2. I use suitengu's in my unique character and before he backs to game my oponent brings to play the same unique character or i have two of the same unique with Egg of Pan'Ku, the unique stay forever in "bat cave", he back to game when the next turn begins or when the another unique leaves game?

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Umasu Sensei

"Personalities you control may not receive Force bonuses from cards or Strongholds while they have no Followers attached"

I can't attaches itens with force bonus or i can do it but the item not provide force bonus?

Sorry for my english !

A player, 7 February 2005

1.

Although targeting occurs before costs are paid, if an action is canceled at the targeting step (e.g., Balance in Nothingness), all costs must still be paid, using any (and, if necessary, all) available sources that do not require actions or abilities to generate. Variable costs may be chosen based on the knowledge that the action has been canceled. [JA, 15 May 2003, 18 December 2003; ML, 21 September 2004]

2.

You may not bring a Unique card into play if a Unique card with the same name is already in play.

the Surged Unique is gone forevermore. to back that point up, see here.

Umasu Sensei:

it doesn't prevent you from attaching items that give force bonuses. they will attach but not give the bonus.

A player, 7 February 2005

Yet, the quote about cancelling is irrelevant, this one is much better :

If one or more of an action's targets become illegal between when they are chosen and when the action begins to resolve, that action will not affect those targets. This remains true even if they become illegal, then return to being legal. [JA, 15 June 2004; 22 June 2004]

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 7 February 2005

I lose my gold in kolat does nothing or i choose another target because suitengu's says "Before target"?

The unit was targeted; see Rules Archive entry for Suitengu's Surge.