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A player, 9 May 2015
Hello,
Due to the updated rules for Twenty Festivals, I am kindly asking for clarification on how Takeru Sensei now interacts with Holdings.
From the Comprehensive Rules for Twenty Festivals:
1. Gold production is now an official stat on Holdings, and they can bow to produce that amount of Gold as part of the rules.
Takeru Sensei
Your Stronghold has no abilities. After an ability or trait on another player's Holding with a Wealth token resolves, you gain 1 Honor and he may discard the token.
With this change from Ivory Edition, it seems that Holdings in Twenty Festivals no longer have the active ability( ) to produce gold.
Can Takeru Sensei's wealth tokens interact with Holdings from Twenty Festivals that are bowing to produce gold to gain Honor?
Example 1: Player A uses Takeru Sensei to put a wealth token on Player B's Suana Dojo. Player B has a 3 GP Stronghold and bows Suana Dojo to produce 4 gold (+1 from Takeru Sensei's wealth token).
Similarly, does this interact with Holdings that have Invest costs?
Example 2: Player B has recruited Questionable Market with it's Invest cost, and bows it to produce 3 gold. Would Player A with Takeru Sensei gain 1 Honor?
What about Holdings that have specific conditional traits?
Example 3: Player A uses Takeru Sensei to put a wealth token on Player B's Colonial Temple. Player B uses Colonial Temple to pay for a single attachment, using the +2GP trait to produce 4 gold (+1 from Takeru Sensei's wealth token).
None of my examples seem like they have traits that are being activated, only conditions that are being met (and in the case of Questionable Market, the Invest ability was already resolved when it was Recruited).
Thank you.
Alex Jones (rules official), 19 May 2015
Hello,
Due to the updated rules for Twenty Festivals, I am kindly asking for clarification on how Takeru Sensei now interacts with Holdings.
From the Comprehensive Rules for Twenty Festivals:
Takeru Sensei
With this change from Ivory Edition, it seems that Holdings in Twenty Festivals no longer have the active ability( ) to produce gold.
Can Takeru Sensei's wealth tokens interact with Holdings from Twenty Festivals that are bowing to produce gold to gain Honor?
Example 1: Player A uses Takeru Sensei to put a wealth token on Player B's Suana Dojo. Player B has a 3 GP Stronghold and bows Suana Dojo to produce 4 gold (+1 from Takeru Sensei's wealth token).
Similarly, does this interact with Holdings that have Invest costs?
Example 2: Player B has recruited Questionable Market with it's Invest cost, and bows it to produce 3 gold. Would Player A with Takeru Sensei gain 1 Honor?
What about Holdings that have specific conditional traits?
Example 3: Player A uses Takeru Sensei to put a wealth token on Player B's Colonial Temple. Player B uses Colonial Temple to pay for a single attachment, using the +2GP trait to produce 4 gold (+1 from Takeru Sensei's wealth token).
None of my examples seem like they have traits that are being activated, only conditions that are being met (and in the case of Questionable Market, the Invest ability was already resolved when it was Recruited).
Thank you.
Errata has been issued to Takeru Sensei.
It now triggers when a Holding produces gold through rulebook text.