A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 20 June 2014
Scenario: Bayushi Shizuka targets Yoritomo Yasuke with her political open ability. Yasuke bows to produce 2 gold and shizuka's player passes. Then Yasuke uses his tireless open ability to straighten. Does A) Yasuke straightens and the player loses no honor because his ph is now 0. B) shizuka's ability causes him to lose 1 and he can't straighten.
I believe a is the correct answer, but iy happened in a game just now so we wanted an answer.
Relevant cards:
Yoritomo Yasuke- tireless open: dishonor yasuke to straighten him.
Bayushi Shizuka- political open: target a personality. After the next time (this turn) his controller assigns him, targets him, or resolves an action on a card in his unit, his controller loses honor equal to his personal honor, then dishonor him.
Jon Palmer (rules official), 21 June 2014
Scenario: Bayushi Shizuka targets Yoritomo Yasuke with her political open ability. Yasuke bows to produce 2 gold and shizuka's player passes. Then Yasuke uses his tireless open ability to straighten. Does A) Yasuke straightens and the player loses no honor because his ph is now 0. B) shizuka's ability causes him to lose 1 and he can't straighten.
I believe a is the correct answer, but iy happened in a game just now so we wanted an answer.
Relevant cards:
Yoritomo Yasuke- tireless open: dishonor yasuke to straighten him.
Bayushi Shizuka- political open: target a personality. After the next time (this turn) his controller assigns him, targets him, or resolves an action on a card in his unit, his controller loses honor equal to his personal honor, then dishonor him.
Since Shizuka's trigger is after the action resolves, he will already have dishonored and straightened when she attempts to dishonor him and force an honor loss. You will end up with a straightened Yusuke and no honor loss.