A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 30 May 2014
I'm sorry if this was asked and answered before
Short version : can a gold producing courtier be used to pay gold and trick the "bowing your courtier" with Provoked Violence?
Long version : If I play Provoked Violence while having only Yoritomo Yashinko (or another gold producing courtier) as an unbowed courtier, and use this courtier to pay part of the gold involved (hence bowing him)...
1) when announcing the action, I can "in good faith" do it, gold is optional and i have an unbowed courtier. 2) when arriving to the part where i have to bow one of my unbowed courtier, i don't have one anymore. 3) does the rest of the action proceed as normal, eg can Yashinko *play both parts*, bowing and producing 3g?
details : Yoritomo "puputte" Yashinko Provoked Violence
parts of CR that seem related (someone else did the research, sorry if i don't have exact references) A) "If an effect requires a target and the player cannot find a legal target, the effects stop immediately and no further effects or targetting happen" B) "Example: If an action’s required targeting becomes illegal during resolution, or the ability’s card leaves play during resolution, all remaining effects are still activated." C) "failing to meet targetting will stop later effects from happening". D) "The Good Faith rule takes into account future changes in the game state that are known to the player; for example, if Bob plans to play an Interrupt that gives the action a target it wouldn’t have when he announced it, this allows him to play the action, but also requires him to play that Interrupt having announced it."
Jon Palmer (rules official), 30 May 2014
I'm sorry if this was asked and answered before
Short version : can a gold producing courtier be used to pay gold and trick the "bowing your courtier" with Provoked Violence?
Long version : If I play Provoked Violence while having only Yoritomo Yashinko (or another gold producing courtier) as an unbowed courtier, and use this courtier to pay part of the gold involved (hence bowing him)...
1) when announcing the action, I can "in good faith" do it, gold is optional and i have an unbowed courtier. 2) when arriving to the part where i have to bow one of my unbowed courtier, i don't have one anymore. 3) does the rest of the action proceed as normal, eg can Yashinko *play both parts*, bowing and producing 3g?
details : Yoritomo "puputte" Yashinko Provoked Violence
parts of CR that seem related (someone else did the research, sorry if i don't have exact references) A) "If an effect requires a target and the player cannot find a legal target, the effects stop immediately and no further effects or targetting happen" B) "Example: If an action’s required targeting becomes illegal during resolution, or the ability’s card leaves play during resolution, all remaining effects are still activated." C) "failing to meet targetting will stop later effects from happening". D) "The Good Faith rule takes into account future changes in the game state that are known to the player; for example, if Bob plans to play an Interrupt that gives the action a target it wouldn’t have when he announced it, this allows him to play the action, but also requires him to play that Interrupt having announced it."
Good Faith will allow you to announce the action; however, if you bow Yashinko to pay the gold cost, your targeting will fail when the first effect attempts to resolve. Point A) in your relevant points list below is the one in play here.