Seeking the Way

L5R CCG Rules board, 14 March 2014

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 14 March 2014

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Air Battle: Bow this Shugenja to move home a target attacking Personality and himself. Gain 2 Honor. So I have a target attacking shugenja who is currently bowed and has Seeking the Way equipped. The aspects of the Good Faith rule, from the reference rules:

Good Faith Rule: To legally announce an action, you must be able to:

• pay its costs (see p. 8), Not an issue, as Seeking the Way has no costs. • meet any targeting of the action that is not optional, delayed, or done by another player, including targeting in Ranged and Melee Attacks and Fear effects; Not an issue, because I have an attacking personality to target. • meet the conditions of any phrase beginning with “If” that starts the action’s effects (such as “If you are the Attacker, …”). Not an issue, as Seeking the Way doesn't start with "If". • Favor actions require that you control the Imperial Favor, or have an alternate effect, substitute, or waiver (“need not”) for discarding the Favor. Not an issue, as Seeking the Way isn't a Favor action.

From the same page of the Reference Rules: Each of an action’s effects happens separately regardless of whether other effects can be applied. There are two exceptions: • failing to meet targeting will stop later effects from happening (see step C of the action sequence, above) • effects linked by the word “to” mean that the second effect depends on the first effect actually happening; likewise, effects linked by the word “as” or “after” mean the first effect depends on the second.

As already established, targeting still happens even if the effect requiring targeting is known to be negated. I see no reason supported by the rules that prevents a bowed attacking shugenja from using Seeking the Way to gain 2 honor.

A player, 14 March 2014

Because you know in advance you can't bow the shugenja, you also know in advance that you will not be able to target the attacking Personaity. Therefore, you know in advance that you will not be able to meet the mandatory targets of the action, which means you're failing the second requirement.

And it's really exhausting having to answer the same question over and over. Please do not push the issue, the horse stinks already