Plans Within Plans & Disgrace

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 April 2013

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 27 April 2013

Two questions:

1.) If my opponent has a resolved Disgrace active, I am unable to play Plans Within Plans during his action phase and use a limited action (say Ambush), targeting one of his personalities, correct?

and....

2.) If the answer to 1 is no (as I believe it is), how does that follow from this ruling? Would it be because Plans says you may take a limited action, whereas Beyond the Line has you using a limited/open ability as another type of action? Or am I completely off-base and Plans will let you get around an active Disgrace

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 27 April 2013

Two questions:

1.) If my opponent has a resolved Disgrace active, I am unable to play Plans Within Plans during his action phase and use a limited action (say Ambush), targeting one of his personalities, correct?

and....

2.) If the answer to 1 is no (as I believe it is), how does that follow from this ruling? Would it be because Plans says you may take a limited action, whereas Beyond the Line has you using a limited/open ability as another type of action? Or am I completely off-base and Plans will let you get around an active Disgrace

1) No, Plans Within Plans will not let you get around Disgrace with an Ambush on your opponent's turn.

2) Exactly for the reasons you seem to be thinking. PwP doesn't turn "Ambush" into an "Open" action, but an action with two designators is only considered to be ONE of those types, based upon when it is taken.