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Sorry for asking what is possibly a redundant question.
When a personality dies due to a chi penalty hitting him (i.e. an entering play effect from Seki) is FD a legal card to play to save the personality.
My understanding is that FD saves you from an action's effects. A token that causes a chi penalty - that drops your personality to 0 chi - is death from a rulebook effect.
Thank you for taking the time to answer the question.
Sorry for asking what is possibly a redundant question.
When a personality dies due to a chi penalty hitting him (i.e. an entering play effect from Seki) is FD a legal card to play to save the personality.
[FIXED] If the chi penalty comes from a token, it'll be gone when the Personality leaves play, and when Feign Death brings it back into play, Chi will be recalculated. If his Chi is now 1 or higher, he'll stay in play [FIXED]
My understanding is that FD saves you from an action's effects.
That's not what Feign Death does. Card text: Reaction: After the resolution of an action or a battle that destroyed a performing Personality you own: Bring him into play (in your home), ignoring costs and Honor Requirement. Bow him. Dishonor him. Lose 2 Honor.
It brings the personality back into play, then bow him, then dishonor him and finally causes you a 2 honor loss. There's not a single negation or prevention effect in Feign Death, or any indication that it saves you from an action effects. However, it can significatly change the outcome of some opponent's actions.
A token that causes a chi penalty - that drops your personality to 0 chi - is death from a rulebook effect.
No, it's an effect from the card that created the token with the Chi penalty. See here: The source of Chi death is the card whose costs or effects caused it, or the rulebook if it was not directly caused by a card's costs or effects (for example, if a base 2C Personality with a +1C Weapon and a -2C token loses the Weapon). Note also that the source of the effects of tokens can usually be traced back to a card's effects. (emphasis mine)
and here The source of tokens’ effects (that is, where their effects are “from”) is the card or other source that created them.
Just making sure that I'm understanding this properly. If your personality dies from chi death due to an effect like Asako Rikate xp's battle action, then Feign Death won't save him, but if your personality dies to chi death due to a chi penalty from a token, then Feign Death WILL save him?
Just making sure that I'm understanding this properly. If your personality dies from chi death due to an effect like Asako Rikate xp's battle action, then Feign Death won't save him, but if your personality dies to chi death due to a chi penalty from a token, then Feign Death WILL save him?
Sorry I missed it was a token! My bad, fixing the other ruling.
Yes, if all chi penalties come from non-token effects, they won't end just because the Personality leaves play. So, if the Personality still has a chi 0 when it returns to play, Chi death will kick in again. However, if any of the penalties come from a token, the Personality leaving play will mak the Token cease to exist, and therefore his chi will (most likely) be 1 or higher when Feign Death returns it to play.
It's more an issue of how tokens work opposed to ongoing effects. Tokens disappear when the card leaves play and their effects stop; ongoing effects still go on until their duration is over.
Ruling fixed to take into account that chi penalty tokens cease to exist when the Personality leaves play.