Messages from the Sun and Moon #rules-questions Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.
[OBH]
Regarding good faith: My opponent plays deadly ground. Can I use a tactician to use (superior strategist/The Death Of The Winds) to search for a way to destroy Deadly ground?
No. The only actions playable are ones that directly remove it, not indirectly.
[OBH]
I'm using stronghold: Sepulcher of Bone because it has one of the coolest stronghold names. I play Burn The Village on my opponent's two boxable personalities: one of whom has a follower. As a trait of my stronghold do I create one, two, or three 1F Undead Shadowlands Followers?
Both personalities are destroyed but not the follower that is discarded instead.
Attachments leave game same way as Personalities they are attached to. But they dont keep "destroyed" status like Personalities in discard pile.
That's also why you gain additional honor during battle resolution for all destroyed cards, including Followers.
But in this situation BtV destroy personalities, as the personality is destroyed the follower is discarded but not destroyed, and you can not aplly effects or reactions to the destruction. Would be different if the action destroy all the unit. (If I remember correctly)
That may have been true at one point, but not under the most recent CR, which OBH mostly uses. Attachments leave play the same way the Personality does, like Kempy said. So, if the Personality is destroyed, so are all their attachments.
Three.
Hello guys question under Samurai. If my oponent activates share the blame to one of my actions on a courtier. Can he seppuku his own personality for the share the blame on himself?
@Brook Cunningham
No. Per SE Rules, your Courtier does not technically perform the action, because they are not targeted in the constraints.
but he is dishonoring the personality before the two dots
so is performing the action
you have to dishonor your courtier
In Samurai Edition, no targeting is implicit. It is all explicit or it is not considered "targeting".
So, no, the Courtier is not performing the action.
can a personality under unexpected betrayal refugee himself out of the battle?
@Brook Cunningham
I beleive he cant because of the move home a target personality
he is not performing
read performing
is not between the two colons
@Brook Cunningham and if possible also confirm if you can sepukku your own personality after an ambush
I don’t think you can since loosing 5 honor is an effect of the action.
and?
you lose honor from an action that targeted or was performed by one of your bla bla bla
is and action? yes
Targeted your samurai? yes
are you loosing honor? yes
a player a player Yes, Refugees is not peformed and therefore can work on "Betrayal"'d guy. Yes, Ambush is performed, so it can be Seppuku'd to reduce the Honor loss.
ok
thanks. i was pretty sure for this ones
Got it. Thanks
are like staples
I guess there’s no difference playing an action to loose honor and an action which effect ends with loosing honor
is the same, the action produces a loss,
Hello. This is a rules question in general: Let's say I'm in the middle of a match and I need an official rules answer? Which individuals are authorized to provide official answers (I know lots of people probably know an answer, but when it needs to be official, well it needs to be official.
2. Also lets say an official person makes a determination but missed a coma, colon, etc, but has to make a correction five minutes later, but at that point players have moved forward. What happens at that point?
3. Are players allowed to schedule ahead of time and ask judge to watch/officiate a match just to avoid issues? Obviously a lot of coordination would be required, but can this be done?
Probably all best answered by the TO, @kempy_nezumi .
[BIG DECK]
Just making sure I read correctly. Players do not have the ability to commit seppukku as reaction to an honor loss...i.e. getting targeted with Shame?
you can seppukku as a reaction to a shame
save you are not a samurai or courtier. In legacy shuggenja can seppukku as well
You need to be careful with such answers. Thats why [format] tag is important.
there are legacy formats - like original aeg legacy (based on twenty festivals) where there's no rulebook seppuku action by default, it requires specific "do sepukku" effect. just like in ivory and twenty festivals editions.
In some legacy formats sepukku might be Reaction (like in OBH) or Open ability (like in Modern format). Some may be used by samurai and courtier, and in some you may sepukku also shugenja.
from BD rulebook:
So it seems that BD follows Emperor era Seppuku.
We don't use active judgement policy in our tourneys, because there's no possibility to cover 24h, 7 days a week and this whole time zone stuff is just complicated. Both players have to be knowledgable about their game and cards. In case of problems, you may just ask a question here, but nobody here's obligated to make fast answer (or any).
We know there are people (like @Brook Cunningham marked as tag) with their solid ability to interpret the cards' writing based on their experience and knowledge. And almost always their answers are substantive and do not require additional explanation.
In many cases such error during play can't be reversed. Following tournament Code of Bushido document there's such sentence under Game Play Error section:
"If not caught within a reasonable time frame, or backing up is impossible or sufficiently that is could affect the course of the game, the judge should leave the game state as it is and not attempt any form of partial "fix". Generally any change of phase, resolution of combat, or at least 5 subsequent actions should be considered impossible or sufficiently complex."
FYI CoB document is in Various/Tournament folder of DropBox.
[ShE] If I use this card to rehonor a personality, the gardens don't bow, is that right?
Correct.
[OBH]
I have Fragrant Waters equipped. I assign at Battle A and I am opposed. I start Battle B. I use Superior Tactics to move from Battle A to Battle B. Am I able to trigger Fragrant Waters?
Yes, you have met the condition to take the Limited action later, if they survive.
[obh] I used Shiotome Halls/Plains of the Maiden/Tadaji sensei. If I am equipped with Kaede's fan, do I increase the honor gain by 1 if I destroy a province?
Same question except with Poetry/Ritual Honor
1. No. The fan only increases the gain from won/tied battles per the Rulebook/Battle resolution.
2. No, and no. Poetry and Ritual Armor (I assume typo) only affect actions; Halls/Plains/Tadaji's gains are traits.
[Obh] can these follower used to play Cursed Resolve as a warrior?
They are from Lotus, diamond and Lotus.
Currently, no. As OBH Rules specifically say Oracle text trumps anything else.
However, I see that the Monks and Pilgrim should have it added, since they are from an era when Titles convey keywords. The Veteran Warrior, however, is not (pretty sure Titles stopped conveying keywords in starting with SE).
So, I'll have to fix two of those, and then they will start counting.
Lols
Veteran have only one version without reprint, the card gain the trait in lotus and loses it in samurai?
[OBH]
Maybe its because its silly season but I have to ask...
The Sound of Thunder. Can I target a battle maiden follower outside of battle, and move it to a personality inside of battle?
I mean, to be blunt, and I've been up front about this, a lot of the Oracle wasn't updated post Ivory because of all the many Ivory Rules changes. Warrior didn't become Rules-relevant until Siege: HoD, which released after Ivory. So, those cards not having had a "post Ivory" update yet is why they don't have it.
Essentially, yes, and the Oracle takes into account their last/most recent Rules era. But also see my previous post, as Warrior wasn't even relevant until Siege.
Its only to understand how to know its a card gain the trait. For printed set or last legal arc.
I think that siege set must be not legal in OBH.
Or at least, not cards from the "enemy" decks would make sense, yes. 😛
But as they are legal, this is the best thing I will do for lion in OBH xD
No. "Move" =/= "Transfer".
[Pearl] Is "assigning" an action? When you assign defenders and attackers?
This question really has no edition specific to it, so I'm not sure how to tag it.
[OBH]
If I use Karo's ability to search for a follower can I use Kalani's landing to pay an additonal 4 for the follower? Can I use Kalani's Landing to pay for the follower? Basically is Karo an equip action or a non-equip action?
Its not an action, its a step in a phase. You declare an attacks, assigns infantry s attacker, then de defenders infantry, attacking cavalry and then defending cavalry. Then the attacker decides the first battle to resolve
KL can not produce gold for attachments.
[OBH]
Hello. Can I Bow Rosoku Sensei to use Bayushi Saya EXP reaction?
I would think so? She's a non-Stronghold card, and Rosoku Sensei counts as a Ring for paying her cost.
Obviously I'm hoping so, since I built a lot of support around my Dishonor and Die deck. I wanted to try something different because I kinda hate Dishonor bomb.
Yes.
[big deck] if something isn't in the big deck rulebook does a rule for it not exist? So are there no rules for uniqueness or overlaying experienced personalities or am I just missing them?
I'm not an expert in the format, but I believe it falls back on Emperor or Ivory Rules if not present in their document, which is fine because the Rules for those things you asked about are the same in those two Editions. 🙂
i figure it is entirely possible since this is a highlander format they just decided those rules don't really matter much and dropped them
I don't think so, but I'm honestly not sure. I've not officiated many of those, and the ones I have were always less formal than other events I judged.
actually nvm I found the answer elsewhere
Might I ask where, in case it comes up again?
big deck discord :p where i probably should have checked first but yeah you were right
[OBH]
If I target my Kettei with (INTO THE DARKNESS), is i(nto the darkness) being performed by my personality?
No.
[ShE] I declare a range attack and the opponent doesn't react/response/interrupt. Now, if I declare using "Pierce the Spirit", can the opponent use "The Turtle's Shell"?
Active player has the first opportunity to take an Interrupt to the action. If you are the active player and pass on Interrupts, then your opponent passes, you are both done taking Interrupts to the action.
If you declare the Ranged Attack and Interrupt with Pierce the Spirit, your opponent can Interrupt with Turtle's Shell
Sequencing in this situation really depends on who is the active player
So, you can interrupt and interrupt?
No
If I interrupt with Pierce the Spirit, the opponent would interrupt an interrupt with The Turtle's Shell
No, Turtle’s Shell would be Interrupting the original action that created the Ranged Attack
Hmmm... that's weird since the last action is an interrupt... the opponent then would be bypassing the interrupt and targeting the previous action? I feel something is wrong there...
When you announce an action (for this example, let's say it a Battle action), there is an Interrupt window. Both players, starting with the active player, have the opportunity to take Interrupts to the Battle action or pass. Once both players pass on Interrupts, the Battle action resolves
The thing is that if the active player interrupts, the opponent will end up interrupting an interrupt... unless you imagine that in that specific scenario the opponent is allowed to bypass the interrupt of the active player
The other player is not Interrupting the Interrupt, they are Interrupting the Battle action
is correct with all of the previous replies. Sequence goes:
Announce RA action Pay Costs Choose targets Interrupt Step -->Pass -->Pierce is played and resolves -->Turtle is played and resolves -->Pass -->Pass RA action's effects resolve (but RA is negated by Turtle)
I get that... however, what I'm trying to visualize is how that works with the rule that says that you cannot interrupt an interrupt. When you use pierce the spirit, you are interrupting the ra... if the opponent uses Turtle Shell, then he is either interrupting and interrupt or bypassing the first interrupt (resulting in two parallel interrupts targeting the original ra)... is that right?
Closer to the latter, though the Interrupts aren’t quite “in parallel.” Both Interrupts are resolving to the original Ranged Attack, and resolve one at a time. Pierce the Spirit would complete, then Turtle’s Shell afterwards
You can play any number of Interrupts to a single action, in a back and forth sequence, until both players pass, as illustrated above.
Ok, got it. Thanks!!
Eext can you attach equipment as an open/limited?
No
alrighty thank you
been forever since i played this format
Unless you are using Phoenix stuff I guess
nah just normal rulebook action
Limited action
Alrighty more rule questions
Aramsu's legacy, is the action "at a battlefield" purposes of redirect for bayushi wakui?
I dont "feel" it is but wanted to ask
Wakui doesn't require the "action" be "at a battlefield". It requires the action be targeting a Magistrate that is at Wakui's battlefield. And it doesn't.
Aramasu’s Legacy just creates a raid battle why the question? Just asking out of curiosity
It also can target a Personality if you win any of its battles.
That part would be after the battle anyway so the reaction would not have a chance to activate
Right. The reason it doesn't target "a Magistrate at Wakui's battlefield" is because it can't; no battlefields exist when the targeting happens.
The way the stronghold is written are you attacking multiple provinces?
Yes. It's a normal attack phase in every way except those explicitly stated.
So you can win 4 battles but only target 1 thing I’m thinking right?
Yes.