Sun and Moon #rules-questions

I see Deck Restriction 2: C, but I'd rather ask than be wrong.

A man can dream of having 3 kaukatsu or 5 Chagatai. Not today though. That dream is dead.

[OBH] Overlay is still a mechanic in OBH? we can only overlay to a higher version right?

Yup overlay is still a mechanic in obh. Lion and unicorns have busted overlay peeps

Got it. so it is nearly useless to put multiple versions of a card.

@Brook Cunningham

I think it does dies as thats a cost

the oracle says it negates its effects

Wow, The Time Is Not Right is kind of an amazing card! I wish I'd known about it. I'd be playing it.

'Dismissed' does something similar and it has acourtier telling a Samurai to "talk to the hand." I love my courtier/military deck...

That's pretty cool

Do i need to have the favor to use my stronghold trait?

OBH rules. Hidden Catacomes of the Scorpion. the last sentence. In order to pay the cost of discarding the Favor by bowing a personality, you have to have the Favor in the first place to use this ability, correct?

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please

ok it was my assumption that in order to discard, you have to have the card to discard it

yes, but he dont undestand that the stronghold is fullfilling the cost of discarding it

but I'll abide by that if that's the official answer

i was asking for a better explained answer

thanks

thanks a lot

You need a role in order to post a picture

Yes. Loyal keyword works for all clan alignments Personality has. Same way all eg loyal Dragon monks are also loyal Brotherhood of Shinsei Personalities.

And as Efirm explained, to post a picture you need any role. We got some spam attachments in the past.

Thx!

Sometimes i think It resolves like in Magic and i am glad It does not. Thx very much

Oh ok, got it!

Thank you so much for clearing that out

So I fully don't understand the trait and its ability 🙁

No problem!

Thanks a lot!

I thought you may use only Ring's trait to be put into play, but how this Strongholds allow to play RoV ability from discard? RoV isnt played from trait, it's put into play by its own ability.

RoV is only MRP ring that requires it's own ability to be put into play.

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=8679

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=5301

format tag please

We are in the game sorry kempy

Kempy can you send me the accumulated for gold?

I can not find it in dropbox

2006 one

But for Gold you may use earlier one

Ok, thanks!

Here my last (OBH) rule question..... for today.

It is about Razor's Edge Dojo. https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=6191

First Case: I am playing against that stronghold and I have only 1 card in hand. I want to play that card which will target any of my opponent's personalities. The Razor's Edge Dojo makes me discard a card but I have no more in my hand. As I cannot discard, does it cancel my action?

Second Case: I have no card in hand Can I use an action from one of my cards in play which will target any of my opponent's personalities? As I cannot discard, does it cancel my action?

Thanks in advance!

Yeah, it looks like you are right as Follower's trait triggers twice.

Thanks Kempy, my doubt is a timing question. Isn't it the same timing that determine the "move" and "performing" that kind of actions? If yes, can the card trigger twice at the same time?

Thanks a lot?

province destruction forces the discarding of the card in the province, therefore if it's a Personality, Rani Sensei turns it into a dead one

For the duration of the duel, when you focus, it adds to the stat used, which is Force in this case.

Thanks!

Ok, got it. Thanks!

reference:

That’s what we are looking at exactly haha that specific ruling

That’s why I asked here

Right now we are at “ancestors are Followers only when checking for restrictions when equipping, after that treat it as if it doesn’t exist”

When cards check for Followers

I'm leaning toward Togashi Hoshi not being allowed to attach Ancestors back in Clan Wars era.

Checked various editions of accumulated rulings, and some of the rulebooks, and it consistently says that they're a special kind of Follower, just don't get affected by cards that affect Followers once attached.

Which makes me think that during attachment, "No Followers" would prevent them for being attached.

By any chance it’s the same as CW rulings?

Yeah… a special kind of Follower is a Follower and Hoshi can’t have Followers

Thanks a lot!

Generally just the Personality and any Followers, including token Followers.

Ancestors stopped being counted as Followers once attached. And Items never counted as anything, and were exempt, just like Spells.

Otherwise you couldn't have a Cavalry unit if the Personality had an Item attached.

Etc.

Those are specifically to create and/or satisfy attachment conditions.

Or provide a discount when played by The Dark Path of Shadow.

(There's also a few things that were designed when "Ninja" meant "acrobatic trained human rumoured to have mystical abilities", and not "tainted by the Nameless Shadow".)

Thx!

[OBH] Roshungi - exp may overlay this Spider guy?

btw, is this same guy?

https://l5r.fandom.com/wiki/Roshungi

It seems is the same

"if he Equipped any Followers"

Only one at the end of turn.

Tournament Game @Brook Cunningham

You are saying it is a cost?

Its not in front of the colon

so...

the "to" is just 0

oh the clause here is the "and"

since you cant reduce to 0 you can't and

ok fair

[OBH]

Hello. I'm following up on this conversation from the Legacy Forum mostly for record keeping purposes...

I have Rosoku Sensei, Ring of Air, and two futaba rings. Enlightened Ruler pops...since Enlightened ruler refers to "ELEMENTAL RING" and Futaba's rings do not seem to have any elemental distinction: do I gain 10 honor or 20 honor?

just edit your main post with [OBH] at start, and please add such things in every question. tnx

Thanks, I was thinking about the strategy "Old Rivalries" A random naval guy as a side Kick of Oni No Akuma XP2 for instance https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=5691

Let me build a deck and I'll let you know later how it goes hahahaha

its also from Samurai CR

just confirming what @Brook Cunningham wrote above

Can I deflect to a duelist with equal or higher chi?

Can I do the same with passing the message?

Follow up - if the defensive army wins at resolution he becomes discarded. but if the defensive army loses - he becomes honorable dead. right?

Thank you

Yes

[obh]

I'm following up on this.

Is "bad touch rule" different from Blood Money? Am I just not understanding how these two interact?

[OBH] cont.

Can I cause my own dishonorable personality to die by chi, and then ignore honor requirements?

Same with Superior Strategist and / or any Battle Action that provides additional Battle action like Formations

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That is what i was thinking... Thx!!

A sensei token can be the sleeper tokens from the kage sensei??

Just token created by Akodo Kage is named Sensei token.

[OBH]

Does the weapon/armor reduction from Kaiu Pass combine with Weapon Reduction from The Spider's Web?

i.e. 8 GC reduction in weapons?

I think its individual reduction, you can attach 2 weapon with -4gc for each. As I understand the cards to obtain a -8gc one of them must says something like when a personality attaches a weapon reduce its cost by 4. But its mybopinion

That seems likely given the response to Plains of the Maiden+Tadaji sensei, but you never know unless you ask. This could finally allow Spider MONKSAI to be playable in OBH.

Yes, overlaying is for free in OBH

Thanks Kempy, we are currently playing the tournament pending game

Even if is an exp 3 from basic?

I remember to had to pay the difference

Until Celestial Edition you had to pay the difference if the two versions were no consecutive and you kept abilities of all overlayed versions. Since Emperor, you lose the less experienced version but you don't have to pay any gold cost

This is what I remembered...

Ouch!

Hello,

So Clumsy Ambush is badly affected too. https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=1424 If I control 2 units in the battle and the opposing army has any one unbowed unit and a bowed Hida Kuon, my opponent can move home Hida Kuon and nothing else happens for my battle action resolution.

Am I right?

Anyway, that is the way it works now.

I only remember that in some time in Lotus, a bowed Unit had no force 😉 So Clumsy Ambush was able to send home any bowed Units chosen by their controller

Are cards like Otaku and Ide considered to have family names to play off A.C.U.?

EDIT : Added card images to show I'm talking about the actual personalites "OTAKU" and "IDE"

[OBH]

The Event 'Diplomacy Talks' goes off. If I discard the Imperial Favor for Underhand of the Emperor, my opponent has the option to declare or be dishonored. If my opponent declares an attack, who loses a province to Diplomacy talks? Me for creating the condition of the declaration, or my opponent for actually declaring?

Follow-UP: I play Spiritual Manipulation or win the duel with Priestly Feud. Whom gets their province destroyed from Diplomacy Talks?

I hate to be a stickler, but for people not deeply familiar with L5R lore, is there a list of family names somewhere?

in all the cases the other player must declare an attack

he/she loses the province

I dont know an extensive list of family names outside the rpg. But if a personality have a clan alignment the title of the card is usually family name + name.

Oh I know...but I'm thinking about "I COME FROM THE ANCIENT FAMILY OF 'TETSUO' AND WE ARE A CLAN UNITED." I'm sure most of us know the difference between Momiji and Daigotsu, but what is the technical rules difference? One is a family name and one isn't but without a list, what are the actual family names?

Without a ruling there is no difference between the Thunder and Fire . (Thunder is not an element for example.)

the term elemental is an remnant from older times, it is now just Ring. Fudo/Dark rings do not count for enlightenment, because they say so on the card, but for all other ring purposes they do.

I know this cause I asked this previously 😉

MRP of Meeting the Keepers requires any Ring to be bowed.

The cases where the text refers to 'the' ring of air/earth/fire/water/the void do however refer to the one and only true ring of that element.

No, because the action is "printed" on the Ninja Personality, which is a Ninja card, and cannot cause you an honour loss.