[LEGACY/OBH] I just want to make sure but...
Are these considered two separate personalities?
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They're both EXP 2 Matsu nimuro but..different statline, different ability, Even different name technically, but the devil is in the details.
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a player The CoM Nimuro E2 probably should've been "Experienced 2 CoM" or "Experienced 1.5", but here we are.
[Legacy/OBH] Does the honor gain from Tadaji sensei stack with... Plains of the Maiden/Shiotome Halls?
Answers on: Plains of the Maiden, Tadaji Sensei
Yes, you get both. Even though the effects and triggers are the same, they are still two separate cards/effects.
ShE - If I play this, and bow a personality when doing it, does the discipline stay on the card forever or only for the turn?
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Only until the end of the turn.
Thats what I thought, thank you.
[Jade]
Kachiko inexp's ability won't have an effect since Betrayal checks the printed PH right?
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That's how it reads, yeah.
But similar effects will be worded that way, since the game rules set a Dishonoured Personality's PH to 0 and keep it there until they're re-Honoured.
Wasn't there a rule that doesn't allow to play the "same card" (not by title) more than once per turn ?
[Lotus]: "Hiruma Oda exp" -> does his text "It does not count for Enlightment while in play" refer to "Enlightment Victory" or the "Enlightened" keyword or both ?
Answers on: Hiruma Oda
No. Just OPT Rule on individual abilities, but that Strategy has two separate abilities. So, you can only Discipline it on the same turn, AND only for the other ability, not the one you already used that turn.
Just the Victory condition. It still counts for the Enlightened keyword.
Thanks for both answers :bow: đ
Asking like a newb... how does arc/edition mix đ¤ is it allowed to play diamond arc with different arc/edition or only if there's an mrp?
If the tournament is run as a simulation of a particular arc, you only play the cards as they stood by the end of that arc, including any MRPs and errata up to that point.
So, if it's Diamond, you would play a card that was MRP'd in Lotus by its Diamond printing, but if a Gold card was MRP'd in Diamond, you couldn't play the Gold version (or if we're talking physical cards, you could play a Gold or Lotus version of a Diamond card, but you'd have to treat its text as if it were the DE MRP).
[Imperial]
Does Strength of Purity give the bonus until end of turn?
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Answers on: Strength of Purity
Yes.
As long as it doesn't say anything about duration is it by default until end of turn?
Yes
So Betrayal is just a really bad card...
I can't think of any workaround
Well, kinda, yeah. But you can easily get 0-1 PH peeps.
Its still good. Just off the peep
Its also keeping until the end of the game. That's pretty good against a lot of decks, especially Shadowlands.
Yeah. However, there's always just better cards. Having to be in Battle is a huge ask for most of the decks that would play it.
Test of Honour, Force of Will, Remorseful Seppuku, Shame, et al., are all better cards than that in probably >99.9% of decks.
It's like a Kolat Master with a lot of extra steps...
In wich format is the Blood money rule allowed?
Answers on: Blood Money
Samurai, Celestial, Emperor, Modern
[OBH] with Shoju Sensei, if I target Daigotsu Taiji
Does the sensei still works at stopping any player from achieving an honor victory if Taiji is killed with a limited action, and then putting him back to play with his open action?
I was wrong.
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Yeah, "while remains" has always meant "until it's not" as an effect duration. Probably could be clearer, but it might actually be defined in the 20F CR (not sure? Can't check immediately.), because it was used right up into Siege Clan War (see Kachiko).
[OBH] with the House of Tao (dragon SH) if one of your personalities becomes shadowlands for any card effect, you loose the ring?
Answers on: The House of Tao
No. The card has to have Shadowlands when you put it into play.
Just making sure, is blood money the clan discount?
No, "Blood Money" is shorthand slang for the Rule where if you pay 2 more Gold for someone from your Clan, you can ignore their HR. It was the only way to play Doji Domotai in SE and CE.
And this rule's name comes from this card:
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Ok
[ShE] is the rulebook kharmic ability considered a single ability for per turn limits or is it two? (one ability for dynasty and one ability for fate)
It's Repeatable across the board
oh right lol
[EE] is the reaction subjected to the rule of presence, and thus can only be used if you have at least one personality at the battlefield?
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No
Reactions ignore RoL and RoP
Also, the Rule of Presence only applies to Battle actions
thanks. pretty good SH
(LEGACY/OBH) Can a Shadowlands Horde player us a sensei that is available "for all clans:" since shadowlands isn't a clan?
yes
[EE] can't find specific rules for retainers, are they just considered a standard holding? I ask because this card seems to break the economic balance from most other holdings in EE:
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Note that it is not legal for EE. It has no bug. It is a Draft-only card. Also, there are no special Retainer rules, it's just a keyword that some other cards may look for.
no celestial promos are legal in EE then? I thought they were
Well, it depends on the promo? Some have bugs, some don't. Also, some Celestial promos may only have SE and/or CE bugs, not EE bugs, so they wouldn't be legal for EE either.
thanks!
Also note, some may be banned. "All That Will Be Lost" is a CE/EE-bugged Celestial promo, but it was banned from EE tournament play.
Brilliant Artisan is a draft-only card. There are a lot of Celestial promos that were either printed with Emperor Legality, or were reprinted in Emperor Edition later on. This particular one was draft-only, and thus, not legal for play in normal games.
Retainers are just normal holdings. The Retainer keyword is just a keyword that applies to the holding.
[ShE] Mirumoto Shikei xp3 and interaction with Dragon Stronghold: If I get a Ring with his trait and it is used twice in my turn (using the stronghold for the second use) then the Ring gets reshuffled into my fate deck. But Shikei's trait says to discard it at the end of the turn if it is not in play. How to do this when it has been reshuffled or does this part of the trait effect fail in this case?
Answers on: Mirumoto Shikei
yeah I assume that part just fails
Waitworry is correct.
[OBH] if you play building contract to recruit a fortification. does it enter bowed?? finals match right now if you have time for a quick response
Answers on: Building Contract
I don't see why it would enter unbowed? All Holdings enter play bowed by default.
fortifications have been an exception to the rules
at various points
Yes, for most of the game that was true, but it changed in 20F, which OBH uses as a primary Rules base, and I don't believe there is such an exception built directly into OBH.
i see what they did they added the unbowed clause to oracle text instead of being rulebook
so check oracle text
like I just checked poorly placed garden and while the MRP doesn't say it the oracle text does say it enters unbowed
The MRP of PPG actually did add that text. The Oracle just isn't displaying the MRP as the default image unfortunately, because both versions are technically the same "instance", being a 20F promo.
ah ok
but yeah a player check oracle text
About how fortifications enters in play in OBH was talked last january. (link)
There was a confusion about PPG during Ivory. In Ivory Fortifications entered play unbowed, then they changed it in 20F to enter bowed. Meanwhile they printed 3 versions of PPG, and depends when it was released it has different trait.
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OBH follows 20F rule. But MRP of PPG has "enters play unbowed".
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We were more specifically talking about Bridged Pass.
Thanks
Well son of a, I completely forgot that...
I'll remember they all enter bowed.
Maybe someday, if I get to retire before I die, I might go in and Oracle every pre-Ivory Fortification with PPG's MRP trait. :/
(except Empty Crevasse; you know what you did!) đ
[LE] Hitomi Kobai: most (if not all) events that enter your home and have abilities require the event to be discarded as cost of the action. Is this cost waived?
Answers on: Hitomi Kobai
No. Upon copying the ability onto Kobai, it would become self-referential, and he would have to discard himself from play to use it.
[Imperial]
If I use Feign Death on a destroyed Personality, is it considered being brought into play? In context of bring into play effects
by the obsidian wording i'm leaning towards yes
yeah and the FAQ says its death is not actually prevented so it sounds like it is leaving play then returning to play
[Lotus]Rising Tensions. If I gain Shadowlands with Corrupted Jade Vein, can I play Rising Tensions?
Answers on: Rising Tensions, Jade Vein
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No. CJV gives the Personality Shadowlands immediately upon producing the Gold, before they enter play, so when they do (you "playing" them), they are already and definitely Shadowlands, thus invalidating a subsequent play of RT.
ok. Thanks
another question [Lotus] Satsu exp 3 removes units, is equal to destroy a personality? for example if you want to react with aftershock
RFG =/= destruction
[ShE] Can I bow spells or any attachment with no printed force? (I'm assuming they have 0F)
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Yes. "If an effect checks a stat's value that is absent on the card type, the value is 0." -- CR pg 13
Cool!! Thanks!!!
Damn thatâs a hell of a card
[ShE] do i need to assign anyone to this raid battle or can I just do this every turn for th free ratling?
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You do not need I think
lol amazing
I remember ppls are creating a token before they have any Holding/personality
but to be sure wait for Team
Nimuro was correct. You're not obligated to assign anyone.
Is this true?? I always thought RFG was different from destruction. For example cursed relic removing an enemy wyrmbone you can't play near miss and negate it bc it's not being destroyed.
This is how I've always played satsu. I thought it was different
"=/=" means "is not equivalent to"
Oh ok. Nice.
[ShE] Can you bow your own personality with her? (assuming that personality has higher personal honor)
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[ShE] Which of the 2 versions is the updated one? One is from oracle (left) and the other from the files I downloaded yesterday in the Onyx Lives google drive folder (right) I want to know if the one with the honor reduction is the updated one
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Yes.
we were right, you can bow your own personality
Note that the left hand one is Onyx, the right hand one is ShE. When ShE "base set" was released, the white bug was removed from all Onyx Edition cards, and all cards in ShE that are the same card are considered their MRPs.
This is from Oracle, just now.
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@Jeremy Sumerlin just replied in the Onyx Lives server that the one with the honor reduction is outdated and that the card will be fixed in oracle a player a player
[ShE] to bring ring of the void into play does it only count actual cards that came out of your fate deck or would created cards count too?
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my understanding is that created cards count as whichever type makes sense for them to count as. So, token followers are Fate cards, token Personalities are Dynasty cards.
Yep, and donât forget created Strategies (Pearl) as well
ah glad I asked then I was assuming it was going to be the opposite but wasn't sure
[ShE] if an action causes multiple players to draw cards like blessing of the red panda spirit, would playing Silence, Fool in response make one player discard or all players?
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Answers on: Silence, Fool!, Panda Spirit
[ShE]: What is in general the priority sequence with traits, triggers, responses and reactions... my current use case is "Hideyo Sensei's" trait in comparsion to "Moto Ogarus" response. Which one happens first ?
[ShE] 1) Can this event be put in play to resolve it in a later turn or the moment I decided to activate its open skill I had to resolve it immediately? 2) Can this event remain face up in a province until I decided to resolve it no matter if it is in a later turn?
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It works the way Ivory/20F Event Rules work, so #2 is more accurate and #1 is not, but see the CR for any further clarification.
Was told they were whatever created them which caused wierd issues with aid has arrived. Did this get changed?
That's definitely not and has never been the case. If a Fate card like Aid creates a Personality, that created card is a Personality, and by definition of Personality being a subtype of Dynasty, they are also technically Dynasty cards.
[LE] (and [OBH] if it's somehow different): When does Yotsu Dojo check for dishonor - do actions that dishonor the personality qualify for the 4 honor gain or must it be dishonorable beforehand?
Answers on: Yotsu Dojo
Triggered traits occur âautomaticallyâ or optionally depending on language; Responses are actions taken after another action resolves
If card performed by Personality dishonors as an effect you cant use YD Reaction to gain 4.
But if it's a cost you can?
bump because it got buried
Probably should've been worded a little clearer, but any and every player who drew from the action discards 2.
ty
If @kempy_nezumi is correct about his first answer, then also no. If the parameters of performing are locked/checked prior to effects resolution, they would also be before costs are paid, because the performer can be determined at announcement/targeting, both of which occur before costs in LE and OBH.
I was sort of hoping he'd dig up a FAQ or old forum post that said for sure on both counts, though. đ
[ShE] Various questions: 1) If I use Dull Tanto to give a personality two -1F tokens, does Iagadis get +2F or +4F? 2) Since it is a trair it doesn't matter if Iagadis is bowed, right? 3) If I use an effect in a battlefield that gives a personality a -1F token and Iagadis is in another battlefield or at home does he gets the +2F or not?
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[ShE] If I can recruit Fortifications from my discard pile, do they attach to a Province? And if so, which one? Do I get to pick? Do they have to attach to the same province as Kisada's Funeral? Or do they not attach anywhere and just act as Holdings?
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1) Jagadis would get +2F per token, so +4F. 2) Triggers while bowed. 3) Traits trigger regardless of location, so yes
Yes, and you pick which province they attach to and it doesnât have to be Kisadaâs Shrineâs province. Fortification Holdings will always attach to a province
thanks
Thanks
Question under Lotus Rules. If Doji ran was ever at a battelfield, you satisfy rule of precense. But I think Rule of relevance still takes effect for cards like strength of the crane right? You cannot target a personality on a different battelfield to use strength of the crane? anyone can confirm?
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@Brook Cunningham
Here is the rule of relevance from lotus rulebook ⢠A player can take only Battle and Open actions that involve the current battle somehow. This is called the Rule of Relevance. The action must: ⢠Come from, target, affect, play, or create a card or token at the current battlefield or attached to the current Province, or ⢠Target or affect the current Province itself, or ⢠Move a card or token into the current battlefield or onto to the current Province
Actually, I'm pretty sure you can use SotC tageting a Crane you control anywhere as long as the target of the RA is at the current battlefield (and you have presence, of course, be it from Ran's trait or actually having it). Notice, Relevance bullet 1 indicates the action must (underlined emphasis mine) "Come from, target, affect, play, or create". It "affects" the RA target, so you're good.
Oh, wait wait wait, sorry.
Gotta look a little deeper than just P and R....
i remember these particular rules being a nightmare lol
(Location is a lot better, yeah; still checking, sorry a player ...)
dont worry, its not a question for tourney so take your time
i think the targeting of the crane its just for determining the strenght of the SotC
Ok ok, so, here's the answer. You can't do it, sorry, but not for anything to do with the Rules of P and R; by just those Rules, it is legal, as I tricked myself into thinking above. However, there are more, different Rules that prevent it! A Ranged Attack must implicitly target a card opposing the card producing it, and your target Crane is producing it, so he has to be there. How did I determine he's producing it? Oh, why did you have to ask that? Because producing in this sence is = performing. And how did I determine he's performing it? If a Personality is involved in the costs of an action, they peform it, and "Target a Crane Clan Personality you control" is before the second colon and therefore is a cost. Whew.
no no... the crane is not producing the Range attack
is like a tsuruchi tech
ohh i just read the performing
Yeah, Tsuruchi Tech doesn't have to worry about any of that, because it isn't produced by a card that can be in an army, and it therefore does not need to "oppose" its target.
See, Rule of Relevance is really loose, but it's the specific restrictions of RAs that prevent a Crane outside the battle from doing SotC. Whereas, as a counter example, a Shugenja at home could legally under the Rule of Relevance cast Biting Steel on a guy at the battle and satisfy it, which is why I initially thought SotC would be good to go too, until I looked closer at RAs specifically.
Thanks for the answer
[ShE] Mishime Sensei says the gold cost of Maho actions costs 2 less for each player with a Shadowlands card.
If I recall correctly, keywords on cards do not transfer to their abilities, so, the ability on Mishime Sensei is not a Maho action, therefore that action does not have its cost reduced?
Or, do abilities on cards have the keywords of the card?
Answers on: Mishime Sensei
It was changed specifically for Onyx+; keywords go up and down again, like they did back in Celestial and before. An ability's keywords are keywords of the card, and a card's keywords are keywords of its abilities.
okay, thank you!
[ivory] it looks like most of the terrain cards destroy a terrain before entering play. In a battle is there usually only one terrain left standing?
And terrain is always applied to the current provincial battle being resolved, correct?
Typically, yes. They represent the ground being fought upon, so the general idea is there is only one in play at a battle at a time.
They enter play at the current battlefield, and are removed from play after battle resolution.
Thank you!
Very cool and thematic. I can think of it as the fight moves around the sections of the battlefield or something
One edition earlier, in Emperor, Lion got this cool Stronghold to ignore such Terrain design.
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Terrains have been a thing in all 20 years of the game. Up until very late in the game, though, once one was in play, you had to use a separate card effect to remove it if you wanted to play a different one. Ivory style Terrains just sort of consolidate that all into one effect.
Ah very good
, that is, the Stronghold let you play a Terrain even if one was already in play and thus have two in play at once. As I described, that was a common restriction to only allow one, until the Ivory style.
{ShE} Embrace the mountain. Is the targeting of your unbowed shugenja or a monk a "cost".? If you do not have an unbowed shugenja or monk can you still play this card?
Answers on: Embrace the Mountain
It's not a cost, it's required targeting. You must have an unbowed Monk or Shugenja to target to legally announce the action, and it will then bow them. However, if you somehow prevent just the bowing effect, the rest will still happen.
Should I post Lotus focused rules questions here or in Lotus?
Either is fine, but if you post them here, please start the post with [LE] or [Lotus].
[LE] can Epâkee - Experienced use his reaction while at home? Do i need presence at the battle ? What about from another battlefield? What if he is bowed?
Are reactions (like all abilities) inherently repeatable in Lotus unless otherwise specified?
Second one first: NO abilities are inherently Repeatable in Lotus, including Reactions. They are all Once per Turn by default.
First one second: Reactions are not governed by the Rules of Presence or Relevance, but abilities on bowed cards cannot be used unless they explicitly say they can (EDIT: One exception, see below).
What about not targeting a bowed personality? Is that still a thing in Lotus?
Nope, not a thing, except that you cannot target your own bowed Personality with an action that has them issue a challenge.
Oh, I'm reminded of an exception to using actions on bowed cards: If the action will straighten the card it's on, you can use it.
[LE] are the followers created by Mak'irtch âcardsâ for the purposes of receiving +1 from Ratling Conjuror?
Answers on: Mak'irtch, Ratling Conjuror
LE Ratling Conjuror's bonus does not specify "cards".
EDIT: Also, yes they ARE cards per his MRP in Tomorrow.
[LE] if a Shinbone Warrior uses its open ability while a Shinbone Warpack is at home , does the warpack gain 0 or 2 tokens?
Answers on: Shinbone Warrior, Shinbone Warpack
One.
Or zero, if none of the destroyed targets were Personalities or the trait already triggered from another destruction earlier in the turn.
So 3 rat personalities destroyed by the effect = 0 because it was simultaneous ?
No. It = 1 because the trait can only trigger once, the first time each turn.
Isnât it each time âafterâ the first time each turn?
Yes. After the first and not after either of the other two.
I see
Oh, I see how you were reading it now.
[LE] if I have Ratling Village on a Provence with a 4 GC personality, can I apply the clan discount after the Ratling Village to reduce it to 0? Basically, does the minimum apply only to the Ratling Village reduction, or does it impose a permanent minimum of 1 GC on the rat card in the province?
Answers on: Ratling Village
I can't recall the exact contemporary reason why, but I'm fairly sure the minimum won't let the Village reduce the Rat past 1, regardless of other discounts. It's not a permanent thing, though; none of the reductions last after the point you pay.
Not part 0. To 0
past
Yep, I typo'd. Fixed via edit.
[LE] when using the political reaction on Influenced from Afar, does the personality I bow have to be present on the battlefield?
Answers on: Influenced from Afar
As I said above, Reactions aren't beholden to Presence or Relevance.
Thank you kindly for humoring my questions
[OBH] Is Ikoma Hitoro legal? If so: I can't seem to find it on SnM, how do I fix that?
Answers on: Ikoma Hitoro
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No, he is generally not. He is from the un-printed expansion "The Blackest Storm", and OBH tends to only allow cards from printed sets.
[OBH] So Barracks and Kaiu Sensei... some questions:
- As it doesn't perform the attaching action, I assume Luxurious Silk's ability (now that it can no longer be used for recruit or attach actions) allows you to pay for those followers?
- During battle at provinces where Barracks is not attached, am I correct in understanding that this creates a sort of quantum unit, which can perform actions and be targeted by actions (provided they don't require a personality); adds its force to the defending army, but isn't destroyed for losing as the cards are not actually at the battlefield?
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Answers on: Barracks, Kaiu Sensei
1. In an environment where Luxurious Silk cannot pay for Recruit or Equip, no, its Reaction cannot pay for Followers going onto the Barracks. Barracks's trait simply modifies what you can do with the Equip action.
2. The Barracks is considered to be a defending unit at every Province's battlefield under Kaiu Sensei's effects and will therefore be destroyed like one at any losing battle, even if not physically present at that Province.
[OBH] Unity of Purpose: if you control no other personalities, can you still bring it into play?
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The last part of the action is an effect and can fails. But you needs to target personality as cost of the action.
Yeah, but you can lose the personality before bringing the new one into play.
Or as you bring it into play. (Looking at you, Phoenix Clan)
just wanted to express how much i appreciated the way this was answered. OBH here in SNM is a bit different from regular play - notably w/ how Luxurious Silk works
- the part in the cost where you need a performing personality is for you to play the card - which will result to a delayed effect - the delayed effect will only happen after the next time an event resolves (regardless of your board state, even if you have zero personalities in play) - after the face-up monk/dragon clan personality (that had their GC reduced to 0) enters play on the turn the delayed trigger happens, that's when you'll check if you have another personality you control (to discard)
[Legacy] is Onnotangu's Hand considered The Obsidian Hand for Goju Hitomi's discount?
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[Legacy] also if I'm not using the rules for follower honor requirements, do cards that refer to honor requirements still check them? ie this Lion
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yes. cards with Experienced X (Alternate Title) are considered to also have all alternate titles that the Alternate Title card has.
[disclaimer: answering this one for obsidian hand legacy] - Followers without a printed Honor Requirement are considered to have a dash (â) value.
Shouldnt be 0? There's no such thing like (-) HR for Followers. I mean they never printed something like this.
Also absent stat is often treated as 0.
yeah that sounds more accurate. initially thought we treated it as an absent stat, but that's what i saw on the current published docs. i'll look into clearing this up
as far as intent goes, the current obsidian hand rules treat followers without a printed HR to have the lowest possible value for it (instead of being an absent stat)
But the question is whether or not the trait would still check for printed follower HR when the mechanic itself is no longer used
[OBH] As in, would Masutaro attach a follower with an HR of two (or higher) in any legacy format where followers ignore their printed HR when attaching?
OBH follows HR for Followers. AEG Legacy doesn't but theres Optional Rule for this.
hence the disclaimer - for obsidian hand legacy, the 'mechanic' (rules tied to it) is always present. Masutaro would see a the HR of followers printed without it (Coils of Madness and beyond) to have the lowest value (which is 0 - i'll likely edit the one published to correct this in a few)
My bad, explains why the [Legacy] tag was used for the original question
yeah specifically this is for a draft cube I'm building and I went with the AEG Legacy rules which presents some things as optional
I think probably just having that optional rule "on" for this is the best way to handle it
especially since the oracle still lists those values for older cards that have not gotten an MRP
Eg. in Modern format HR of Followers is ignored.
[ShE]: Regarding the new item "Kaiu Plate", does it only works against abilities on personalities (copied, inherited, etc.) or also with strategies that force a personality to do something, e.g. dueling ?
Answers on: Kaiu Plate
The former. Note the definition of "from" in the CR, pg 78-79:
"Some things check to see if other effects, actions, or targeting come âfromâ a given source. The source is the card that the effect, action or targeting is printed on, or the rulebook if it is printed there... ...exception: Effects of traits and abilities given to other cards, copied from other cards, or on created cards, come from the card they are on."
[ShE] For purposes of Dangai Sensei, if I had these personalities in play, how many Clan Alignments would I have? And which personalities count for which clans?
Is it 3 clans +1 for unaligned? Is it 8? One for each listed "Clan"? Or is there something I'm missing?
For that matter, Dangai says I can recruit personalities with a clan alignment other than my own for 1 less Gold. - If my Clan Alignment is Scorpion, can I recruit Doji Maya for 5, because she's also Crane Clan? - Can I recruit Tsuruchi Yurio for 7 because he's Wasp Clan? Or for that matter, Tanuki Clan? - I expect I'd have to pay the out-of-clan penalty for Isawa Taisho, thus making him cost a total of 7.
I do understand that Clan keywords are not the same as Clan Alignment, I'm just trying to ensure that I understand it correctly.
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So, I assume your first question is in relation to the Sensei's second trait, and if so, you are correct that among those Personalities pictured, you control 3 Clan Alignments (+1 for the trait because of the 4 Unaligned Personalities).
For the other 3 questions:
1. Yes. 2. No. As you said, those "Clan" keywords are not "Clan Alignments". 3. Correct; +2 -1
alright.
I would really like to figure out how to make a Tanuki deck work, but I can't just add Tanuki into a deck that wants to use out-of-clan cards, because I usually want to have unique personalities among them. Like, I'd want to use the Celestial Dragon, and Shikei, and Toku Tsudao.
none of them work with Tanuki. And the number of specifically Tanuki Clan personalities is excruciatingly limited, and they don't seem to synergize very much. I'm sure there's a way to make them work, I just haven't worked out what it is.
Welcome to L5R's take on Minor Clans/Factions.
It's always been that way.
Sometimes there's a "killer app" situation, where there's a particularly good combo that requires playing unaligned
Well, yeah. But, rarely. Usually just a bunch of token Personalities. Occasionally you get a box that does something. They did that at the beginning, and it caused a lot of problems (read: Ninja and Spirit), so it went back to being a gag thing, than actual supported Factions.
Ratlings...?
nah... that was an actually supported faction.
at least, it was eventually.
until they decided to screw it all
I'd appreciate it if there were more Ratlings in ShE... Just a couple would be enough.
I think building a Ratling deck really wants you to have a bunch of Renew personalities, and none of the Ratlings have that. And most of the Naga personalities specifically care about Nagas rather than Akasha clan personalities, as does the Stronghold.
So it feels pretty awkward to build Ratlings at the moment. But also, maybe that's intentional? Like, synergies among keywords do seem to be less focused than they used to be. It seems like it's far more useful to just build with good cards than it is to build around a keyword, and just occasionally being able to use the synergies seems like it's good enough most of the time. So, maybe that's not actually that big a deal.
I've built tanuki out of phoenix fwiw the kharmic ability for the house is just generally all around useful so it is a good fit
I have too many ideas, and I'm having a hard time focusing.
but I should move this to a different channel.
does shrine to bishamon target the personality under Diamond rules?
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Answers on: Shrine to Bishamon
Yes. Diamond Rulebook pg 72.
ShE Black Powder Tactics- Im using it to blow up a holding, does the new holding enter play bowed? Or does it come into play unbowed?
Answers on: Black Powder Tactics
All Holdings enter play bowed by default.
Just to clarify, Black Powder Tactics is NOT bringing it in using the recruit action, which is what is referenced in the rulebook.
The Rulebook states, "Holdings use the Recruit action or procedure to enter play, and enter play in the bowed state (that is, already bowed, without bowing)." Black Powder Tactics is an exception to the first half of that sentence, as it does not invoke the Recruit action or invoke "Recuit" as an effect, but it does not contain any exceptions to the latter half.
Sure, wanted to make sure that it was a second bit of information seperate from the first part. And not simply part of the recruit action.
I think it should be its own sentence in that case.
Also, the fact that black powder can destroy unbowed, and the opponent has to bring in bowed is quite a big play... might want to reword black powder.
If a personality is banished from play, what happens to the attachments?
I guess you're asking whether they're also discarded from play, or if they count as destroyed?
If a Personality leaves play, their attachments leave in the same way. So, also Banished. (CR pg 97, definition of "Unit".)
Tag please.
No tag needed, applies to all instances of the game.
I know that such answer from @Brook Cunningham correct for later editions but i am not sure it worked this way in earlier ones. That's why i asked for tag.
But it still applies...
no matter the edition
No. It might be different for Imperial. And nobody will answer in same way for all non tagged ones like it works X here or Y there. Its main reason to tag questions here.
I am interested in knowing what happens to attachments if the personality is removed from play via "banishment"
and whatever edition that may happen in
I was always under the impression when I played that the attachments were destroyed if the personality was undone, but in ShE thats not the case.
but was it like that in Emperor? Ivory? 20F?
Banishment is just fanmade definition of remove from the game. So for clarity and to avoid confusion just add a tag for anybody non familiar with this term.
But... I didn't care about only one edition
Just avoid such open questions or tag them with Legacy/Open. Or be more clear with specific edition.
I still think this discord would benefit from a separate Rules Category with edition channels. That way we can easily look up previous answers for a particular edition rather than sorting through everything.
And people can't forget tags if they don't need em đ
Tag. Youâre it
[ShE] if my second Favor action of the turn gets negated by The Line Must Be Drawn Here, am I still allowed to play the Ring of Air?
Answers on: The Line Must Be Drawn Here!, Ring of Air
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Yes.
Cool. Good to know
[ShE] Does Set from Berserkers Rage count as a bonus? Can it be negated with Reject Conflict?
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Yes
[ShE] Radiant Bay: SnM (image pack) and Onyx Lives site list the left one, Oracle the right one: do you need 16 holdings in your deck?
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I think You still need
Asking because this one does not and it seems better somehow
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Same GP, plus ability
yeah i know thb we need to wait for answer
btw abysmal quality on this last image ;p
Black bugged Radiant Bay is for Onyx, white bugged is for Shattered Empire. With ShE being the current format, the 16 Holding requirement was removed
Answers on: Radiant Bay
Despite a player grabbing the wrong pic, the ShE Radiant Bay pic in Oracle also has the 16 Holdings restriction. That's something @Jeff Williamson will need to fix.