Sun and Moon #rules-questions

Depends on edition. Check Dropbox / Alternate Formats / Draft

Before Emperor there were special promo Strongholds and you should have special Draft Packs with fixed cards. In Emperor arrived Draft Strongholds in boosters and Draft Pack became useless.

If you want stick to Emperor era ruleset, use this Stronghold

If you want to use Ivory/20F era you may use this:

Jeff will get me sorted out 🙂

Choose wisely. 😄

But as @Brook Cunningham mentioned above, if you will draft EE era cards, you maybe should stick to Governor's Estate and EE Rules, including Draft ones.

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I don't see why not?

"Repeatable Reaction, w: Before you would trigger a Ring's printed trait that would put it into play, or if you ever meet the conditions for a Ring's printed action which would put it into play, search your Fate deck for that Ring, show it, and put it into your hand. (If Reacting to meeting a trait's trigger, you then have a chance to trigger that trait after taking this action.)"

So you have no hands, you bow the SH to fish the Ring of the Void into your hand, then play it.

oohhh ok gotcha. I didn't realize it pulls the ring to your hand first but that makes a lot of sense

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After your turn begins, give this Holding Glass tokens until it has four. Repeatable Reaction: When paying a Gold Cost, remove zero to four Glass tokens from this card to produce an equal amount of Gold.

You can pay up to 4 gold. You have an example aboutbthe card you want to pay múltiple times?

Any card, just wondering if I can trigger the reaction multiple times to pay for a single cost (like say remove one and then remove one again)

Example like you have 4 six gold cost in clan personalities up and 4 three gold producing holdings and a glassblower. You should be able to pay 3 gold plus react to make 4 on all four guys for cheap if it's repeatable right?

Oh. Single card. Nvm

Digging further into Emperor and Ivory rulebooks, as per your suggestion, I came across the following: "If more than one Reaction can be triggered at the same time, you decide the order in which they happen using a separate action round. The active player has the first opportunity to take a Reaction to the trigger or pass, followed by the other player, and then the active player has another opportunity. The action round continues until both players pass consecutively on taking Reactions to that trigger."

Beyond that I have found nothing that states that these reactions cannot come from the same repeatable action. Only that Traits trigger before reactions.

Now I'd argue that paying gold with a holding's gold trait kinda acts like a reaction and both 'Luxurious Silk' and 'Barley Farm' allow their trait and ability to be stacked for a single cost. I wasn’t sure if there was anything explicitly requiring multiple triggers to allow the reaction to be triggered multiple times or explicitly forbidding it from reacting to a single trigger. But I have found nothing to that effect.

Btw: What's the reasoning behind Glassblower's 0 to 4 rather than 1 to 4 token removal?

Ok, the Comprehensive rules are clear: Additionally, any single copy of a Reaction action (that is, from a single given source) may not be taken more than once to the same trigger, even if a more general effect makes it possible to take the Reaction more than once per turn. [ADDED Jan 31 2013]

This does mean however that with increased gold production (that isn't limited to bowing) you could remove 0 tokens to get 1 gold, though? Right?

Like say from Bountiful Harvest

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Its a trait and you may use it any times per turn if you find a way to straighten Yosuke.

or what it changed to.

okay, nevermind, I just looked it up

"When two players are in the game, or in the later stages of a game with more players when only two remain, if a player loses the game for having -20 Honor, the remaining player has won a Dishonor victory"

though... that then brings up more questions... If you can dishonor your opponent to the point where they're removed from the game, but you have this card in play, and thus can't win a Dishonor victory, does that mean both players lose?

Does that mean if you KNOW you will lose the game, and your opponent has one of these in play, and you have the means, you can choose to dishonor yourself, thus drawing the game?

Is this an intended scenario for this card?

seems like a pretty good option for a Mantis dishonor deck.

Also check Shamate Keep Stronghold.

he can target them, but you can't take control of them, no.

(but yes, if there was a 3rd+ person)

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The wording seems to imply that it can't, but I feel like it should? I'm not super sure how to look that one up

The way I read it it reduces the spell cost and like MacBeth2001 mentioned

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[Ivory] - How many favor actions can I take if I have Regal Furisode and Doji Katata in play? https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=11263 https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=11160

3-5, depending on how many Katatas you have in play

You can use the Favor twice with the Furisode on the rulebook Favor actions (as well as lobby a second time), and each Katata gives you 1 more Battle action, rulebook or from a card in play

I don't understand the "two times per turn" thing. Is a SET? Can the active player decide the order in which those traits are resolved?

One of the rules experts can correct me if needed:

The furisode means you can use the rulebook Favor actions twice instead of just once. This means no matter how many furisode you have in play, it's still limited to twice.

Katata grants you an additional use of Favor Battle actions, making each, rulebook or in play, +1 times per turn. This means they stack on top of both the amount you can already do, as well as on top of each other.

Mathwise, it looks like this:

Without Furisode: 1+(X×1) where X is number of Katatas

With Furisode: 2+(X×1) where X is number of Katatas

Hida Kozan, Voice of the Empress is the only Ivory-legal card that has a Favor Battle action, otherwise all of the Favor Battle actions would have to be the rulebook one

As a side note, traits are ongoing passive effects, meaning they don't "resolve", they are either constantly active, or happen when triggered (again, I may be corrected if I'm wrong)

Do also bear in mind that each lobby is an Limited action, and each time you bow Katata to take the Favor is an action. Plus, if memory serves, the rulebook favor card cycle is a Limited action too. Realistically, you'll likely only be able to use the Favor 3 times as a result of this, 4 if you start your opponent's turn with the Favor or grab it as an open with My Lord's Favor

5 would only realistically be doable in a Lion deck with Akodo Dairuko exp2 and 3 Katatas, or any deck with Hida Kozan and 3 Katatas

Thanks for the answer.

I think I'm a bit confused about the order in which trait effects are resolved:

- If Furisode resolves first (and it sets the number), I get 2 Favor actions per turn, and then Katata gives me one more, for a total of 3 Favor actions.

- But if Katata resolves first, I get 1 additional Favor action (for a total of 2), and then Furisode has no effect.

As stated, traits like this don't resolve, they're permanently active. Favor actions are not repeatable, so usually, it's a maximum of 1 each. Furisode puts that maximum to 2 each. Katata gives you extra uses above the maximum.

In short, the first option

Ivory/20F edition I suppose

Thanks, is that because it is a trait that makes the ability battle/engage and WotD only counts as a ring for actions?

Does the out of clan tax in ivory/20f/onyx/she permanently increase the unit gold cost?

If a Lion player recruits Moto Someone-or-another for 8+2g, is the Moto's cost when checked by another card 8 or 10?

check by another card is still 8

I only ask because Invest is permanent.

The difference is that you don't have to pay the invest

Edition/format tags please (link)

Great thanks!