Sun and Moon #rules-questions

Suspicions isn't action

Or, for that matter, recover lost honor?

Thanks!

I have been blind and a fool.

Tha k you kindly lol

furthermore, if I do this a second time, are the conditions still met? If I miss the trigger to play it after a kiho, can I play it later in the same turn?

And it lost to monk military lol

But as I remember, that monk deck was not feta. Because that was the Gencon where Honor Bound released at the convention?

But I was curious.. moving convo to jade

Thank you.

I thought it was instead of this whole time 😅

i think ffgl5r was meet the province strength too..

Okay then... If it's your turn, and you use this guy to lobby for the favor with his own action, can you then later lobby using the rulebook action? He explicitly ignores the lobby once per turn rule, but the wording seems to imply that if you use him first it still takes your once per turn lobby.

The Oracle text is also a little oddly worded... "Limited: Even if you have already Lobbied this turn, if you have only done so once before, bow Ichiro: He Lobbies, ignoring the cost of bowing."

Yoshi is, of course, much more flexible.

Yoshi's action is Open. It's always more flexible.

Side note, Ichiro Exp is one buff dude. Not just for a Courtier. He's more buff than most Crane Samurai.

Toshimoko's son

So you know. "The seed is strong."

Also, while "LCG" is a term specifically owned by FFG, other companies have made their own LCGs (also, strictly speaking, a board game like Munchkin is a living card game as well). FFG also puts out various co-operative living card games (like the Arkhan Horror card game) which do way better than competitive LCGs (and in both cases, as a business model they are much cheaper to produce and logistically easier to maintain than a "regular" CCG)

L5R LCG by nature are also "slower" than CCG. Instead iof 160 cards per 3 months you got like 20 cards per month (as average) so in tribalised game like L5R yiur clan evolves so slow (its hard to mix cards between clans as they are clan locked). LCG by averwge requires 1.5 year to get viable number of cards to make some deckbuilding ideas. In a world of internet in such small cardpool meta is explored really fast.

If you want to learn more about the LCG though let me know. I played it from start to end of official support

Thanks to you all for your help. I think I finally have a clear picture (at least it is clearer than before) of both systems. Thanks a lot!!!!!

Also, overall player cost wise. LCG is hell of a lot cheaper then the CCG model.

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I want to double-check something... can I stop Kisada's Funeral from entering in play with Meditating Mind? (Assuming the opponent is using Kano's Alliance as his Wind)

pretty sure you can't

if they are useing kano, the dynasty action to put the event into play cannot be negated by meditating mind. if they are windless or have another wind, you can cnegate the dynasty action preventing the card from entering play

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Thanks! much appreciated.

Does this card affect force tokens?

Ok, that means that this card can also remove penalties from force tokens, right?

Wow...

Thats...not intuitive.

"A ninja poisoned my lunch, but I reject conflict so I'll be fine" lol

If you are second in OBH, and you face this guy, it means youre dead as you literally can't announce any action, including Dynasty Recruit?

Once per turn. So the recourse here is to build up enough gold to buy two personalities

And either the first gets canceled from the ability, or it goes through and the person can pay the cost.

It's precious momentum, but thats the name of the game in OBH

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty strong jank, but IMHO obh is a duel of "may the best jank win"

Hmm. Would he get the -1C Corruption Tokens if he cast something like The Wasting Disease?

But it's only once per turn Reaction "after an action is announced". So what's exactly happening? Player announces Recruit without any unbowed Personalities in play. Then Sugimoto player uses his Reaction. Action failed, becasue there's no way to pay costs. So player still may announce another Recruit?

It applies to any of the lobby methods

Meaning if for example you have an empty hand, lobby bonus of 10, and your opponent with Suikihime has a full hand, then they cannot wind lobby

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Kempy posted the spesific wording from the comprehensive rulebook a little while ago 🙂

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so in ShE, does silk merchant and majordomo combo how I think it does?

Each time you use Majordomo, FSM gets +1GP until end of turn. That means, if you've got 2 FSMs, each use of Majordomo pays for itself, and if you have all 3, each use of Majordomo nets you 1GP profit

sorry thought i could post the rest, then game started

hold on

ah that is what I thought

had 5 retainers, 3 of which were silk merchants

it got a bit silly

You can't target card out of play unless card allows it.

y

as long as they're yours and it's as Battle

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Yes

For LE printing of Field and Celestial Rout - no. As theres movement first and destroying attachment happens during battle but not at battlefield.

The Questions Is about "The Impregnable Fortress of the Crab" Stronghold and "Hida Saiyuki ". I cannot upload the card images to show them here, don't know why.

Don't see any Upload button.

I think image uploads might be tied to format roles, you only have a tourney role

You might be right, i forgot about that when i entered this server. Thanks i will catch up on it asap...

Roles are handed out manually so you'll still have to wait a bit

Maybe i am reading the example with the Samurai wrong 😅

yes

thanks, didn't though it would apply if you didn't had a faction, but nice to know it does

Unicorn rule question: Can "Utaku Kimionos" response ability be used with traits from "Moto Ajinai", "Moto Nergui" or "Moto Maral" ? Or can it only be used with Actions that give tokens?

Any Response can only be used in response to an Action. Traits are very notably not Actions

Ok. That makes the card less good as i first thought, but still ok 😀...

if it helps to remmeber, an Unaligned player does not share a clan alignment with Unaligned personalities

That... confused me

I know that it changes the target and therefore makes it targetable, but how can you even go to activate it without opposition?

I had included no hiding place with this idea in mind, but then read it as an interrupt and was like... waaaait a second lol

Praise P'an Ku. The Madness Spreads.

No, RAs were always required to be targetted to be played.

Ok, but right now, RAs do require a target or not?

Buuuuu, but ok, got it xD

So far I know, the raids don't happen in a province, so that wind should not interact with them

the wind doesnt care

Ok thank you!

Thank you!

MRP text on Oracle doesn't explicitly make it Unstoppable, but that seems to be the effect of the card.

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also... am I allowed to use Fu-Leng, the Ninth Kami in BigDeck?

I didn't actually notice that... I'm kinda just understanding these cards for the first time here. I picked up the Clan War Siege box ages ago, but never had anyone to play it with.

In the LCG you're not allowed to choose an effect that would result in no game state change. But I don't think that rule exists in the CCG. You're allowed to choose to dishonor a personality who's already dishonored, for instance.

Alright. Good to know 🙂 thanks!

Abilities (identified by having a bolded timing keyword) can be used once per turn. Your turn and an opponent's turn count as separate turns.

Ok, usually they have whatever you paid, thats why I wasn't sure.

i believe so, the action itself is put 0-4 card on the bottom of your deck and then refil all provinces face up if i recall

i was incorrect it is 1 or more

or you have to move at least 1

that is face up?

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or does the then clause force you to do the first half first?

while agree you are almost certainly correct shouldn't there be an 'if able'?

To make things clear... if there's exactly 1 face up card, you have to move that one to the bottom of the deck, then you refill that province, then you are able to flip the four cards face up?

If there are two face up cards... can you move one of them to the bottom of the deck, refill that province and then flip face up the three face down cards?

that makes sense

Good enough for me.

Unless they are Repeatable they follow standard OPT (once per turn).

One copy is enough to avoid total goldscrew during most important first turn. Later this card might be clunky as it's 3 for 3 and that may be problematic in 4GP Strongholds.

Also cost of a removing Fate card is not something you want to pay 3 times, turn by turn.

Makes sense, thanks.

this is another example

What about "Dark Ring of Water"? It has "Ring of Water" as a subnet of its name.

It just has some blemishes on it.

😦

No, you have to be unbowed to issue a challenge. I think that holds in all ruleset editions.

No, theres no such restiction in rulebook. Most duels requires unbowed Personality in its text.

But this ability from COAT is provided to Personality and unless its Tireless ("even if its bowed")you cant announce it from bowed guy.

Thanks, that is how we played it tonight.

thank you

Is the stronghold ability to flip the stronghold a stronghold ability or a player ability?

I believe it's a player ability

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The active players get to pick, IIRC.

Just check Timing Conflicts # section in 20F CR.

Check Battle Sequence # in 20F CR

Also Timing # Triggers #

Cards' images could help.

Yes. Mercy movement happens before destruction from Mountains.

Yeah thats what I was trying to figure out, thanks!

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i cant get the picture to drop. more specifically "touch of the infinite" with personality that has yogen equipped

Won't reduce it lower than 5.

so you agree with the first answer? when i reduce my chi to "zero" it will actually only go to 5. giving me less of an effect on my opponets personality?

Is Cavalry Engage considered an action?

Yes

With flame's protection, if a card target's the unit, can flames protection protect against it?

I recall reading here something on the lines of targeting a unit was equivalent of targeting the personality in it, but I am not 100% sure

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it was stated already i think

I believe shougo is correct, it was a reference to Daigotsu churo and how his interrupt works in connection to Meditating Mind. In The Flame's Protection's case. If an ability's wording says something along the lines of do something to a card in a target unit, then the spell would trigger as the unit and the personality in this case are one in the same. If in contrast the ability targets a card in the unit directly the spell would not trigger as it never targets the unit.

As two examples, Meditating mind targets the unit, Your True nature targets an attachment directly.

At least that is how it works i believe

I have a question about Back to the Front. Can you target a personality at the current battlefield with it and straighten them?

No. The straightening happens during the movement. You can legally target them, yes, but since they're not moving, they won't straighten.

Ok, thanks.

I thought so.

"People told you wrong" I don't like that you say it that way the card can be read "was political and targeted" thats the first parameter, "or was from this personality" that's the second...

This is the exact same issue that the poison master had.

I have brought it up as card commentary on the onyx lives server.

My reading is that Condition 1: the action has to be political Condition 2: either targeted this personality or was from this personality

Thank you! Time to find some additional card draw for this deck

Pretty sure the answer is no. Spells have a different color border to show they are a spell. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

From the 20F Advanced Rulebook (pg 9). "Spells are attachments that will only attach to a Shugenja." Since Kihos and Elemental actions don't attach, they would not be considered spells.

Hunh. I can't find the Kiko definition in either Celestial or Emperor.

Kiho used to be considered Spell Effects, so something like Resist Magic would work on them.

Before Samurai edition, Kiho were different card type and their effects were considered as spell effects. Since Samurai edition they are just Actions/Strategies with Kiho keyword.

They dont have rulebook effect now but their effects nearly always require Monk or Shugenja to perform or target.

To be more clear, as i wrote it wrong. Kihos were also actions in Lotus, but they got rulebook effect that got removed in Samurai and later.

From LE rules:

LE printing

SE:

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Wonder what kind of Unicorn deck wants Kimiono in it, though that's a question for a different channel

Oooooh right

You should rename Actions to "Ask"s. So you can Ask/Respond. 😄

No.

i've thought that everyone who support of removal AI gfx just deleted their current folders and replaced everything with recent text only versions. 🙃

I haven't gotten around to it yet (haven't updated Ikoma Libraries either)

Yes

Don't forget about this guy as well. He's also good friend of Kumoru.

oh yeah, he is in most of my spider decks

hmm, i reread this and this ability i am not sure now. ;/

I would argue it doesn't work because Poison Sake says when his controller assigns him. Kurmoru forces the assignment even if their controller doesn't want them too.

Yeah that is what I was thinking, wanted to double check.

Damn Macbeth beat me

Its still really strong with Tairao

I would say: yes.

From 20F CR:

nice, thanks

Correct.

It's conditional. You lost 0 of 0 duels. Free Province!

Looking for 3 physical Harmony has been found. Anyone willing to sell them?

Thats what I thought, thank you.

that sounds like a silly question on paper, but Game of Dice is a Limited action

Are the bonuses permanent?

No, until end of turn. Permanent bonuses are always described as such in the trait or ability text

It's the opposite of Magic.

Which makes sense, because most bonuses are temporary, so why make the more common result take more words?

If it's non-Unique, yes.

As in, you could have a Unique Matsu Gohei Exp. on the table, and bring in the non-Unique, non-Experienced versions.

Awesome thank you

Playing at my local game store and we're all relearning the game

Great thank you MacBeth2001

Then you bring back the crane Guy