Sun and Moon #rules-questions

June 2023

Messages from the Sun and Moon #rules-questions Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

A player, 22 June 2023 03:02

do legacy decks start with border keep and bamboo harvesters?

A player, 22 June 2023 04:39

If Obsidian Hand Legacy. Yes.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 22 June 2023 06:00

in AEG Legacy it's an optional rule but both players must accept it.

A player, 24 June 2023 07:24

for Dijuro sensei (fortification sensei) if the fortification has bonus to province strength, is it capped at +4? running it out of Phoenix, so province strength would cap at 10 total?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 07:40

Yes.

A player, 24 June 2023 07:44

so having the holdings that only buff province strength is not that useful?

A player, 24 June 2023 07:45

and also the stratigies that boost it probably wont work as well either then

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 07:48

Yes. Sensei just provides PS if you use standard non PS boosting fortifications.

A player, 24 June 2023 08:25

so the PS could go past 10?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 08:32

No. It's capped on printed + 4. But i wanted to say that this Sensei just makes every defended Province +1PS per Fortification (up to +4PS.). It allows to focus on eg honor gaining Fortifications and aditionaly gain PS boost. If you want to make realy high PS Provinces you s hould use other Sensei (or none) and focus on +PS Fortifications and card effects.

A player, 24 June 2023 08:47

ok

A player, 24 June 2023 08:48

i was trying it out on solo, and i couldn't attach more then 1 fortification to a province

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 08:49

Hmm, i will record something liek this and give you a link. It will take a while.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 08:54

When YT will proceed this one it will be available here: https://youtu.be/pheVpzdePwk

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kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 08:54

Just wait up to 10 mins

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 08:56

It's ready in SD resolution. Wait a while for HD

A player, 24 June 2023 09:06

so when using architect (the one that lets you choose the provice to attach to) is it best to put the target fort to the top of the deck, then move it to your desired provice?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 09:06

Before you ask. You cant ad face up Fortification to current Province, it will be added as another Province. Ou must put it on top of Dynasty, move facedown at current Fortification and face up.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 09:07 · in reply

Yes, sometimes it becomes clunky, especially if there are Fortifications that eg may change Provinces

A player, 24 June 2023 09:16

ok

A player, 24 June 2023 09:17

i dont know if i can play this sensei it feels too clunky to get it to work gold wise

A player, 24 June 2023 12:30

for my Onyx Crane Dueling Deck, rules question regarding Genshin Sensei: "You cannot take Honor actions" means which, that I can't take actions usign the Honor keyword (Discard an Honor card to give an honor gain or loss +1 or -1), or that I can't gain honor from action cards?

A player, 24 June 2023 12:54

probably should have added the card for context first

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kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 12:57

It looks like with Genshin Sensei you can't use Honor as rulebook Interrupt.

Jeremy Sumerlin (rules official), 24 June 2023 12:57

That is correct. 🙂

Jeremy Sumerlin (rules official), 24 June 2023 12:57

Honor needs bolding

Jeremy Sumerlin (rules official), 24 June 2023 12:58

perhaps, to avoid this confusion

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 12:59 · in reply

So you still my play such card for its ability, but you can't use its Honor mechanic to increase/decrease Honor gain.

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kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 13:01

Because of Keyword Inheritance -> Honor keyword in this card doesn't affect ability.

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A player, 24 June 2023 13:22

thanks for the clarification, means I don't have to change anything there

A player, 24 June 2023 18:39

Actions on fortifications are only for that province right?

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 24 June 2023 19:01 · in reply

Yep. More specifically, only if the current battle is at its Province's battlefield, but I'm sure that's what you meant.

A player, 24 June 2023 19:18

Is the calvary engage once per battle? Or can I bring in as many units as I have calvary?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 19:27

Cavalry engage is once per turn

A player, 24 June 2023 19:29

Oh ok. Same with tactical advantage action?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 19:31

No. Every Personality with Tactician keywords can use Tactical Advantage (once per turn).

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 19:32

Cavalry Engage is rulebook player ability.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 24 June 2023 19:32

Tactical Advantage is an abiility granted to every Tactician

A player, 24 June 2023 19:37

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

A player, 25 June 2023 12:15

On modern and legacy format, is there gold pooling?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 25 June 2023 12:16

As Modern is based on Twenty Festivals format, so yes, there's gold pooling, lack of clan discount, new cavalry and naval.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 25 June 2023 12:17

Talking about Legacy it depends - in most popular Obsidian Hand Legacy there's no gold pooling, theres clan discount and every player choose what cavalry he plays classic or ivory one.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 25 June 2023 12:18

In less popular AEG classic Legacy situation is like in Modern.

A player, 25 June 2023 17:30

If a fortification has a battle ability or interrupt. Can it be used with no presence? Last night we were playing it with the presence required assumption

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 25 June 2023 17:35

presence is required unless it says otherwise

A player, 25 June 2023 17:41

Ok

A player, 27 June 2023 23:08

For legacy format. Would spawning grounds work with the onyx Ed oni sensei? Or would that be an auto loss?

Alex Jones (rules official), 28 June 2023 05:23

It's fine. Your family honour is fixed at -19.

A player, 28 June 2023 05:33

ok.

A player, 28 June 2023 05:33

thanks

A player, 28 June 2023 10:55

Clarification question regarding the Koutetsu armors:

"This Personality has a minimum Chi of 5."

Is this a prerequisite or does this raise a Personality's Chi to 5 if it's lower than 5?

Alex Jones (rules official), 28 June 2023 10:56

It gives the Personality a minimum Chi.

A player, 28 June 2023 10:58

Thought as much, just wanted to check since the next line in each Koutetsu is a prerequisite "Can only attach to a [X] Clan Personality."

A player, 28 June 2023 11:56 · in reply

So it raises their chi to 5 if it is below 5 and prevents it from being reduced below 5?

Alex Jones (rules official), 28 June 2023 12:01
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A player, 28 June 2023 12:05

So it changes the value to 5 before bonuses or penalties are applied

Alex Jones (rules official), 28 June 2023 12:05

No.

Alex Jones (rules official), 28 June 2023 12:06
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A player, 28 June 2023 12:09

So it applies bonuses and penalties and then raises to 5 if below 5

Alex Jones (rules official), 28 June 2023 12:09

Yes

A player, 30 June 2023 01:59

Didn't they remove the "clan discount " in EE or something?

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 30 June 2023 02:17

Ivory

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 30 June 2023 02:17

you pay the printed price, may Proclaim (gain personal honor of the bought person) once per turn

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 30 June 2023 02:18

if you're buying out of clan, you pay +2 gold

A player, 30 June 2023 02:32

Oh ok

A player, 30 June 2023 02:34

So onyx is no discount too then correct?

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 30 June 2023 02:59

Correct

A player, 30 June 2023 03:27

I was reading the legacy rules for the big deck, which is what triggered the memory. I wasn't sure if u was playing it correctly at first.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 30 June 2023 18:32 · in reply

BigDeck for some time was 100/100 using Ivory/20F ruleset as a core (like Modern), but they decided to make decks smaller (80/80) and use Emperor ruleset as a core.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 30 June 2023 18:32

Reasonable as it's all cards formast and nearly all that people use come from pre-Ivory sets.

A player, 30 June 2023 18:48

Does having reconnaissance mean you've performed a recon ability at the selected battlefield prior to or during combat? Building a Daidoji deck in Modern

kempy_nezumi (not official), 30 June 2023 19:01

check Oracle

kempy_nezumi (not official), 30 June 2023 19:01

for specific card, for most of them you have