Sun and Moon #rules-questions

building my first dark path of shadow deck.

It was a full faction. Meaning that all of a sudden someone like Bayushi Aramoro was a member of your Clan.

Just like when they made Monk a clan. It's a trait, and a Clan, which really didn't help.

But it was super fun to play. I played Ninja for as long as it was legal to.

I also have a bunch of decks as starting points if there's interest.

https://web.archive.org/web/20000617201722/http://www.cowell.org/~andy/cgi-bin/decks/list.pl?sh=23

the one posted as "Best Deck in EJ" was made by a really good player who was local to me back then; I recognize his name, and I know I lost to him a lot. so I'm using his as the model but substituting for my own physical collection as need be

(thanks for clarifying btw)

Yeah, that's pretty good. Lots of options. Be very mindful of whether they're Open, or Extended Jade, or Strict Jade. And then which sets they include, because the power balance changed very rapidly in Jade.

urf I thought EJ and Open were the same thing in 99/2000, must be remembering wrong. what was the difference between the two?

99/00 was a Jade. i joined much later, but wasnt there jade and jade extended and also open?

and Open was allowing anything printed i believe (except some bans?)

Correct.

"Open" meant from Imperial Edition all the way up to whatever present Jade expansion it was.

we must have been playing open in the tournaments at my local game store in 99; remember getting blasted by desperate measures a few times

ok. so if ninja was a faction, why was the guy who built "Best Deck in EJ" using Alliance? all but one (Soshi Jomakyo) of his scorpion people are ninjas as well. if you name Scorpion as your alliance clan when the event fires off do you get 4g off on the scorpion ninja (2g for scorp alliance and 2g for your clan discount?)

that sounds absurd since they're already part of your faction but. perhaps not

Correct.

The Ninja discount is -2G on all Ninja cards, not based on "Clan discount".

So Alliance to Scorpion would get you 4G reduced or 6G full price Aramoro.

And Desperate Measures was annoying, but still not too bad. Winter Warfare was disastrous when playing as Ninja. Same with Storms of War.

I don't think Shadowlands was ever a clan alignment. The old rulebooks I've looked at all say that while YJA (and later Shadowlands hoard) was a "clan", "it has no members" (i.e. there are no personalities with the "Yogo Junzo's Army" or "Shadowlands Horde" traits)

Correct, SL was not.

Imperial/SCC rulebook

Yeah that's what I was reading. YJA is a clan, but has no members

^^ she got +1F for: a) using Honor keyword (discarding Honor card to increase/decrease honor gain/loss) b) using any ability from strategy card with Honor keyword eg like Die On Your Feet c) both

Because otherwise, its Battle action isn't a Battle Honor: action

So a) only?

Yeah. I would argue that the Battle ability is an Honor Battle ability, but when discarded by an effect for having the keyboard, it's not played/used/etc.

You could do well finding other cards with keywords that count towards stuff like this. Establishing precedent and all that.

Yeah. That's what made the game almost unplayable, waffling on rules all the time

It's not like we can reach back to the devs at this time...

Perhaps, but it's still a better game by a mile than other popular card games.

Gilador and Macbeth were on dev/rules team, they'd be the closest to active people to ask

First, there's no Honor in any rulebook/comprehensive rules as it was introduced in Evil Portents and its described on cards only.

Also what i found in latest CR:

Although balance wise I wouldn't mind DoYF giving Tayuko a +2 assuming other cards were balanced around that power curve.

I'm fine with her as she is. Because with her wording you can pump her during Limited using other honor gains and interrupt them with Honor cards.

it just requires specific build that mix Open/Battle honor gains.

Anyway i was asking becasue i found a deck with her and lot of Honor battle cards. I think someone who made it played her wrong.

You mean honor cards with battle actions?

i mean Strategies with Honor keyword and Battle abilities

etc

^^ anywayreally nice piece of art

I'm personally very hesitant to discard cards with small benefits when the cards have actions that would be much more useful in battle especially if I don't have a lot of draw mechanics to replenish my hand.

Although I think the idea of mixing honor/dishonor cards with military decks is a neat idea and good thematic for the game.

Sometimes you may just surprise attacker and cross on his turn during attack with such small gain(s).

escpeially when you play you may use Honor as Repeatable

that was probably going to be changed in Onyx

to once per trigger

and it's also a meta agaonst honor runner- you may interrupt his crossing gain

(and it also triggers Tayuko's trait)

i think its enough Destined cards in 20F environm,ent

lately i'm playin every second da with some guy i found by accident. he's in my time zone and he's learning so i play many not-so-top decks and enjoy so many weird ideas

Dueling decks can also burn through your fate deck pretty quickly.

hmm, battle duel might have problem, but honor duel should honor out before his deck is empty

unless play against dedicated dishonor

but its classic honor vs dishonor problem. time out 😄

or about duel decks - new version of

that could shuffle random 10 cards from discard and remove other

there's event tutor cards in environment, so dedicated Political Standoff should work. i saw s such builds

i mean new version of this cad with modified text, as shuffling whole deck in is dumb in 20f

in previous editions focus pools were mandatory created so decking out was much more faster

every duel = mandatory 3 cards discard

https://images.oracleofthevoid.com/l5r/bc/b3/printing_11690_1_details.jpg

Cool.

But I haven't been able to make those work reliably.

That's a bit harsh, dueling decks are the decks that need a reshuffle the most.

it's a z bit messy. Some pre ce/ee cards were rewritten in Oracle to have eg Political keyword that replaced Political in their abilities. https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=64

Shugenja with this Spell attached uses Fear effect from other card in Unit and Interrupt it with Okura is Released

He gets 1F bonus before card is destroyed, yes?

Thanks.

Also need confirmation as i think it works. I Recruit Daiishu including Invest paying for him with Officer's Lodge. So I may just search for Follower (The Mountainborn or Bound Spirit) becasue of Invest and attach it to him paying 1 less.

Like in a case of 12th Black Scroll

The part where you must destroy 5 cards, if you play imperial format, is still considered as an effect right?

That's an effect. It always was one in Clan Wars, Jade, etc.

You destroy as many as possible.

Well, each player does.

It was usually done with just one defender.

I agree with that

You nuke as many cards as possible, and that's it. Usually hurts the attacker way more than the defender.

What was final verdict about interaction between Voice of Experience and Seppun Tasuke? May use Holding's Interrupt to increase eg FV of any played Strategy to gain Affection token?

Or it just need to be ability that directly discards or shows a card like this:

This Open action affect until end of turn, yes? So every time a Province is going to be refilled this turn (up to difference) i may refill it face-up up eg after Event is played or after Dynasty: discard.

Correct.

The old border cards

Not the oldest

But not the newest

I woukd stick to ruleset of edition of most cards you have. If theres eg more cards from Diamond than others, just use Diamond.

Otherwise use Obsidian Hand or Emperor.

And emperor you mean the ruling of emperor?

Obsidian Hand is Legacy ruleset that keeps two important rulings: clan discount and old gold system.

Emperor = Emperor edition ruleset. Peak of classic ruleset before they changed a lot in Ivory.

Yep, Im reading from your drop files

Hello

Whats was the order to trigger and resolve reactions?

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And how Manu reactions can he perform

As much as he wants

And then Give priority to the other player?

So basically, Interrupts are limited in terms of when they can be played while reactions are not.

Like a watered down version of reactions...somewhat.