Sun and Moon #rules-questions

December 2021

Messages from the Sun and Moon #rules-questions Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 December 2021 10:23

multiple krn'n stacks? i mean if two of them are on board, both have 4F?

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saaam (not official), 12 December 2021 18:19

I would say yes, based on that wording, because it's a +1F, not just 1F.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 December 2021 21:55

Samurai and Legacy holdings. Just checking rulebook and saw this:

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kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 December 2021 21:57

Was there any clarification you can use it only on first turn? Becasue as far i can remember people were using this reaction only on first turn. Was it possible to use it on every turn?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 December 2021 21:57

It's from digital Samurai_preview rulebook. Need to check paper version tomorrow.

A player, 12 December 2021 21:58

Yes, you can use that any turn you did not put any holdings into play.

saaam (not official), 12 December 2021 21:58

I don't see why not; it's not something game-breaking, because you're bowing your SH each turn to bring in one Holding per turn, and no others.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 December 2021 21:59

Honestly i've never seen anybody playing on second turn or later. Really. And Samurai was my first serious tournament edition.

A player, 12 December 2021 22:00

I have. Several times back in the day. Gold flow just really sucks back then lol.

A player, 13 December 2021 06:01

Did they change that during the arch? My samurai edition spider rule book says otherwise

A player, 13 December 2021 06:02
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saaam (not official), 13 December 2021 06:02

That's... so typical AEG.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 13 December 2021 08:46

Both rulings are in same rulebook. Second playet start with bowed Legacy holding AND every player may bow his Stronghold during Dynasty phase to search for Legacy hilding.

Alex Jones (rules official), 13 December 2021 08:55

They're not rulings, they're rules.

Alex Jones (rules official), 13 December 2021 08:58

But yes, they're not contradictory, and they're both in effect (if you're using that ruleset): Second player starts with a bowed Legacy holding AND every player may bow his Stronghold during Dynasty phase to search for a Legacy holding.

A player, 13 December 2021 19:47

That makes sense. So second gets a free folding and can still search. I see the origin of border and bamboo much clearer

saaam (not official), 13 December 2021 19:50

It's an interesting and contentious topic.

saaam (not official), 13 December 2021 19:50

On the one hand, I feel that it helped with gold-screws.

saaam (not official), 13 December 2021 19:50

And in a manageable way, without too much of a boost.

saaam (not official), 13 December 2021 19:51

Whereas Border/Bamboo gave the game a lot more acceleration, and all of a sudden you could have a big dude out, or get two Holdings then your Clan Champion.

Alex Jones (rules official), 13 December 2021 22:21

It was possible to build decks in Emperor with very few holdings.

Alex Jones (rules official), 13 December 2021 22:21

The Crab deck that won Worlds in Barcelona had 3x Small Farm, 3x Large Farm, and possibly 3x Iron Mine, I forget.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 13 December 2021 22:31

3 Small Farm 3 Large Farm 3 Blue Tanuki Bar

Alex Jones (rules official), 14 December 2021 05:47

That was it.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 14 December 2021 05:50

+ 3 One Koku (that was banned later).

Alex Jones (rules official), 14 December 2021 05:51

Yeah

A player, 18 December 2021 23:16

@kempy_nezumi I have a doubt... I like to play with EE edition rules or 20F... but I build m decks for a legacy format including cards from various editions... that's legacy? EE?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 19 December 2021 08:04

If you use 20F rules for older cards you just play... kind of official AEG Legacy. But if you use strict EE ruleset with whole cardpool its your custom Legacy system. And its really similiar to BigDeck besides BD is highlander (max. one copy of every card).

A player, 19 December 2021 08:17 · in reply

I see... well, in that case I guess I will go for the official AEG Legacy... time to refresh the 20F rules hahahaha

kempy_nezumi (not official), 19 December 2021 08:19

And theres also this AEG Legacy document in dropbox (alternate/legacy).

A player, 19 December 2021 10:30

👍

A player, 29 December 2021 22:32

So what was the end of AEG era? I played right as the game started to be sold off.

saaam (not official), 29 December 2021 22:40

The last bits were in the Ivory arc, the Twenty Festivals core set and a few expansions.

A player, 29 December 2021 22:41

So I guess I'll be an ivory player. I have an honor crane deck as my go to for paper.

saaam (not official), 29 December 2021 22:44

I guess there's some Ivory players around, but I haven't seen too many.

saaam (not official), 29 December 2021 22:45

The game rules were changed pretty heavily for Ivory arc.

A player, 29 December 2021 22:47

I have a few friends I played with. But learning some potentially older formats could be neat.

A player, 29 December 2021 22:49

Though I tend to take a deck and memorize it. (I have a visual impairment) lets me not have to strain my eyes trying to read mid game.

saaam (not official), 29 December 2021 22:51

Hmm. Not sure how SnM will aid or impede that. On a large monitor, I've found it pretty enjoyable, especially being able to bring up a zoomed card by right-clicking on it.

A player, 29 December 2021 22:56

That's pretty nice. I tried finding some l5r stuff on table top sim but couldn't.

A player, 29 December 2021 23:45

This is the best there is out there. Welcome! 😄