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I'll try to answer.
The Cavalry rulebook action is once per turn: Absent Engage: Move your unbowed Personality in a Cavalry unit to this battle.
So I assume you are talking about using the Cavalry rulebook action and then using the Stronghold ability?
The Engage phase work just like each other phase. Both players take turns playing Engage actions or passing. When both players pass consecutively, the phase ends.
Ok. Yeah, the Endless Plains of the Unicorn is the 20F legal stronghold. First I would use the stronghold, then for the other battle, I would ask if the defense has an Engage and if they don't, I can use my Engage action for that battle, kind of like a Sneak Attack?
There is an Event that has an Engage action I can use, but defense might still have an Engage
Yes, you may use Engage if other player passes. But Engage, as any other action, is played alternately until both players say pass Engage.
Player B attacks, choose Province without any Personalities assigned
Player A (defender): pass Engage Player B (attacker): Absent Engage rulebook Cavalry Player A: also rulebook Absent Engage Cavalry to move in his Cavalry unit at Home or at other battlefield Player B: Engage Sneak Attack Player A: Pass Engage Player B: Engage from Unicorn Stronghold to move in another Personality as he would be opposed now Player A: pass Engage Player B: pass Engage Engage segment ends, we go into Battle. Normally Player A should play first his Battle action, but thanks to SA from Player B, he has first opportunity to play his BA
so the defender has the first opportunity to play Engage actions?
good to know. I thought all action segments were active player first except specifically battle phases.
Where is that rulebook? I've been having to go by pdfs of rulebooks and the physical mini-rulebooks I have. All the nicely formatted online sources I could find were taken down years ago.
dropbox link in #welcome channel of sun and moon discord https://discord.gg/X9hwY5eq
ivory-twenty festivals folder -> 20f comprehensive rules document
"All the nicely formatted online sources I could find were taken down years ago." - i started this dropbox archive like 7 or 8 years ago.
... ::sheepishly:: ... thank you.
Are any of the Black scroll still legal?
Depends on the Format? :/
None of them have been banned, as far as I recall.
Ok. Thanks...
Hello all. I was wondering if any one knows where one can go and find a site for a ban cards list?
It depends on the format. There is a pin on (link) of kempy's Dropbox that has about everything
Question about the most recent Ring of Earth. It does say Repeatable. If I bow it once to prevent one personality from being moved from the battle, will I be able to prevent another personality from being moved after that? Or just once
It means if you have an effect that will straighten a Ring you may use its ability again same turn.
can melee attack from strategy by combined with melee attack from the personality it is targeting?
my instinct is - no, but i want to make sure
No. Ranged/Melee can be combined from cards in same unit.
thanks!
What about if you have a personality and a follower with range attack. Can you combined?
In Ivory combined attacks returned but as they introduced Interrupts, every unconditional ranged/melee/fear attack on card in a unit may be combined and increases main attack.
Personality: BA: RA 4 attached Follower: BA: RA 2 attached Item: BA: RA 3 attached Spell: BA: RA 1
You may announce any of those RA's as main attack, choose a target and pay a cost (if exists), then as Interrupt (during Interrupt window) you may increase main RA by value of RA from any other attachment in same unit. You repeat it as Interrupt for every attack you want.
Using Ba: RA as Interrupt counst as using this ability,
As Interrupts are played alternately by every player, your OP may play its own Interrupt to cancel/redicrect or even stop RA after one of your RA increasing Interrupts.
Ok and thanks. Was double checking.
I was wondering with this strong hold. If you can have holdings with the Castle or Siege. Can you bow them one at a time and continue to do range attack, also do you get the 2 honor each time?
First, you cannot combine attacks from cards that aren't units (like Strongholds, Holdings, Senseis etc). Combining works only for abilities from same Unit.
I was not asking about combining the attack. (sorry if I ask the wrong way) Just if you can use them one at a time. For the range 5 attack. Just didn't know if a one time thing or if have like 5 holding with the castle trait. could I bow them one at a time in a battle to target a card. Thanks
No. This stronghold is once-per-turn ability. So only once per turn you may bow any Castle or Siege card (including this Stronghold as in Emperor, strongholds are considered as a card, it wasn't true for some older editions) to make RA 5.
Ok. that what I wanted to know. Thank you
From Thunder Dragon Bay, is it possible during battle to double the ranged attack with Storm of Arrows or Sniping? Even though it's on the stronghold and not a personality?
The way the EE version of Sniping is worded, it seems that one would work.
Storm of Arrows mentions 'a card in play' and I'm not sure how. that would work with Strongholds
Storm of Arrows technically shouldn't work, because Strongholds weren't considered "cards" until Emperor or so, I think? However, I don't believe I meticulously Oracle'd every card that referred to a "card" to say "non-Stronghold card", so there may be a current loophole there. 😛
In Oracle you mrp'ed it to "a card that performs"
Yeah, I was possibly arbitrarily deciding what "makes" means; not sure if I had precedent for all those decisions or not. It'd be nice to know if it contemporarily worked with Arrows from the Woods and such or not. :/
OK thanks.. Maybe when I play wiht the stronghold, I should consider Sniping legal and doable, but not Storm of Arrows.
If a personality is already dishonored and they have Chuda Hankyu equipped, can I destroy the weapon and "dishonor" them again?
No. Everything before the colon is required to happen.
Everything before the colon is a cost to play the action and costs are not paid if there is not a change of board state. You can dishonor a dishonored person as an effect but not as a cost.
If I use unshakable to play night battle or deadly ground from my discard pile, is my opponent helpless to perform actions, even if they do have an ability to destroy terrains?
I don't understand why they would be.
It just lets you play it from the discard pile.
If someone, anyone, can negate it or destroy it, that's fair game.
The terrains would be removed from play due to Unshakable's ability, therefore they cannot be destroyed. Or at least that's how I thought.
You remove it from play _after_ its action ends, which means either when destroyed during the battle, or after battle resolution as it normally wears off.
It basically pulls it into play and keeps it there as if you had played it from your hand.
In the Limited Ivory Format, if I don't have the honor to bring a personality in play, can I pay two extra Gold to bring him in?
No. That rule was removed in Ivory.
ok
@saaam Pretty sure you're both mistaken about Unshakable/Terrains; I don't think you can effectively play them together. Even though Terrains enter play and by special rules their effects continue while they're in play, their action has "ended" as soon as they enter and Unshakable would remove them immediately, at which point they'd stop affecting the battle. @Alex Jones is the Lion; he would remember better and can confirm.
I'm pretty sure that was how they worked, yes.
But it depends on the terrain - some have immediate effects, which can still be useful.
Eg Thick Marsh, or Unstable Ground.
Right! The exception to what I said being Terrains with instant/immediate effects, but most have delayed or ongoing ones. Unfamiliar Ground is the only one that comes to mind that would combo sneakily with Unshakable like Whiney wants, as it instantly bows cards with a clause to straighten them if it's destroyed, but if it's RFG, then whoops, can't be destroyed anymore! 😛
Yeah, that was a good combo
BTW, Thanks for answering the question.
I have a question on this stronghold. When you put a ring into play can you at some point put it back into your hand to put it back into play by it's wording?
Only via card effects, not simply by choice.
However, that said, by Ivory/20F Rules, the Ring put into play by the Stronghold does count for Enlightenment. There's no need in those formats to put it into play by its own text.
For the event The New Order, do you win an Honor victory if you recieve ten more Honor points from where you are at that point, or does the event mean that in order to win on Honor, you have to reach 50 instead of 40?
50
ok thanks