Oracle of the Void #rules

And -7F from Event is permanent, so in the future a Personality must gain at least 1F from other bonuses or modifiers to go over 0F

Changed 😄

yes, you are right. changed (for the last time). if still wrong i will just delete

Also Items' +XF aren't bonuses, they are modifiers.

So cards like Breaking the Rhythm don't affect Item's modifiers

Also, if i remember correctly, cards like BtR also permanently negate permanent bonuses/penalties. So if you play BtR on a guy who was reduced by Second Doom of Crab from example above, his permanent -7F is gone forever.

Ah, i stopped at Arrival of Obsidian Champion / Shameful Injury mindset.

Because WoH Ivory rules were made during first part of Ivory, before 20F base set was released. And was never updated later.

And yes, Fortress Abilities were designed for Celestial/Emperor power level and they were too strong in Ivory environment.

Also dont forget that Ivory WoH rules are fanmade, not official.

So you may modify them for specific cardpool you use. Changing to 6 or even 7 honor in Honor path in 20F environment sounds reasonable. Especially with presence of Honor keyword in 20F Arc environment. Also increasing Dishonor path requirement by one because of same reason.

Its a good idea to rethink Ivory WoH changes for full 20F environment.

Thanks! Makes sense now

Would love to see any videos of War Of Honor.

Yes, original WoH requires 8 Honor in one turn, but we are talking about fanmade modification for early Ivory environment. If you would like to use early Ivory legal decks with WoH multiplayer system it will be much harder to gain 8 honor per turn than in Celestial/Emperor or while using original WoH decks.

Also this Ivory "patch" is interesting as it speedup first turns. This version of rulebook is available in Dropbox/AlternateFormats/WoH

Thanks for the clarification.

Oh gotcha I misread that 😅 thank you

It would depend on which version of the ring, but I was specifically referring to the most recent 20F Ring of Water, which seems pretty close to the way they worded it to the original Ring of Water.

Also, all of the terrains I have in my decks destroy and replace another terrain already in play. Makes it easier to bring the ring in.

Since the text is "before discarding"?

Yes. It's rulebook player ability, once per turn.

Hunh. So Retribution with Cav is... not that great. Lame.

Anyway in OBH Legacy, after Strongholds are revealed both players choose what Cavalry they use, classic one (as there's still Cavalry segment) or Cavalry Engage. This can't be changed during game. So it's possible that in same game player A uses old Cavalry and player B Engage. With Engage you may outmaneveur classic Cavalry unit.

No. Check Oracle. creature = nonhuman, sailor = naval, diplomat = courtier etc.

OK thanks!

If your gameplan is about building one gigantic Conqueror Cavalry unit, theres none advantage of old Cavalry. Engage Cavalry also helps against any cards that stops from assigning as new Cavalry is just movement.

If I bring into play two corrupted Geisha House and use two Rhetoric to give the honor loss to an opponent, can I bring into play Bayushi?

Shadowlands goes out...Kolat and Gozoku go in.

Thanks, makes sense.

By the MRP wording, A New Wall would fish the Holding and stick it in the Province, and then discard itself normally, without Yokuni Sensei messing things up.

really? so any ability/trait on a card that gives card itself same stuff is considered as printed?

In EE it was more clear as it mentioned only something "that exist". ""Base" refers to a stat, keyword, ability, or trait that exists on a card or other entity as printed (following the most recent printing) or initially created, without modifications from effects. A stat’s base value will not change."

While in 20F: "Refers to a stat, keyword, or other game text as printed on the most recent printing of the card, without modification. If the card is a created card, “printed” refers to the text it was created with."

What was reason behind this change?

So, now in Legacy she has "printed" Naval when she has Thunder Spell attached?

In my opinion no as Invest "gives" - and it means that it's created ability.

Maybe it means "without modifications from other cards"? If so, Tonbo Jairyu would have a printed ability from invest but Guidance in War does not give printed traits or abilities from invest because it comes from another card? In your example above, she would not have printed Naval because it depends on a modification from another card? Just guessing sorry.

Ok. what about cards that have X keyword when you have Courtesy or Compassion?

I guessing it is printed as it comes from her own card? Asako Kazuki "Battle, bow: Fear 4, with +1 strength if the target is Shadowlands, and +1 strength if you have Compassion." would have a printed fear 5 if you have compassion. And I think it would still be a printed fear effect even if the target is Shadowlands?