Onyx Lives #rules-questions

So in the example of Like a twig it would destroy all attachments but the personality would remain unscathed, but for meditating mind, the personality would suffer no ill effect and so would do absolutely nothing and so not worth triggering.

for reference. as an additional aside to like a twig, it requires you to bow a unit of fully unbowed cards right?

cool cool, i feel i understand the wording on a lot ofcards more now. you have been an insane help 🙂

A coulpe of questions on Kisada's Funeral. If my opponent has Kisada's Funeral in play and I have Shinshei's Heart, are my honor gains from non-battle actions, such as Proclaim, reduced by 1? Does Kisada's Funeral reduce honor gains from cards destroyed during battle resolution? Thanks

Shinsei’s Heart counts as a Ring for actions, so it will not count for Kisada’s Funeral trait. KF does not affect battle resolution gains

just for clarity, is the battle resolution honor gain not effected by kisada's because it is not an action?

Correct. KFexp affects honor gains from Open, Interrupt, Response and Dynasty actions. Battle actions, trait-based honor gains and battle resolution are not affected

Oh, and Engage actions are also technically affected

ok, so with KFexp honor victory is basically dead 😢

it is not dead, it heavily incentivizes you to go the honorable dueling honor gain over solitaire honor.

Not necessarily. Just slowed down until you put a ring into play

in ShE there are almost no solitaire honor gains, if I'm not mistaken, all honor producing holdings are Fortifications, which the other player can interact with by attacking the province. I'm ok with forcing the honor player to interact, but if proclaiming is affected, I don't think honor victory is viable

if you draw the ring

Simply need to prove your honor in battle, just as Akodo intended

Regarding fortifications... can you recruit more than one fortification in a single province?

there are a lot of favor actions floating around in the format and the favor is pretty easy to get comfortably. windless you get access to the 6 for 6 which is very strong as a kharmic card too, it lets you use iweko's shadow which is also super strong right now. ring of air is pretty easy to get into place same for ring of earth if you are running defensive wisdom gained could be a good option too.

Do also bear in mind that only Kano wind players can reliably get KFexp via legacy

As far as i am aware there is no restriction on fortifications on a province so you can make a real stack if needs be 🙂

Fortifications do stack

this is a very good point and kanpeki is the superior wind overall

That's interesting

Thanks!

It was regions, iirc, that are one-per-province, but there are none in ShE

yes, which makes honor victory even worse 😅 as the honor player cannot reliably get a ring

I don't think the ring of earth is always easy to put into play, but the thing is that one card is basically dictating how I have to build my whole deck. As an honor player I must include rings in my deck

last arc I played was Celestial, and this card felt way more fair than KFexp

going to be real, i don't think kanpeki aliance will run kisada's funeral in the long run, without legacy and with meditating mind in the format it will get slapped down more often than not and kanpeki's wind generally leads to a more control focused game where we are dishonoring your people, harpooning important people etc and so kisada's is not as good, promise of peace i prefer as honor meta if i need it and death of the mantis although death of the mantis is more anti dishonor

death of the mantis is also more fair than KF

I agree, and I do miss the new order. I would say play the environment a bit first before saying the card is too oppressive, not everyone is running it and unless they are kano you won't see it every game.

my meta is very small (only two friends and I) but the fact that KFexp exists makes me not want to play honor. If I play honor, my friends are compelled to use the card, then, I have to modify my deck only to deal with one card, as it basically destroys my game plan

get your friends onto sun and moon too 😉 then we can all play together. in that instance I would chat with your friends and rule zero kisada's funeral out of the format.

Tbh, honor victory isn't dead. Currently it forces you to play the game with another person. The difficulty is in the mirror match, primarily in the defensive aspect.

Tbh, honor victory isn't dead. Currently it forces you to play the game with another person. The difficulty is in the mirror match, primarily in the defensive aspect.

nah nah, let them think honor is dead 😄 😄

Ya, honor is totes dead! No reason to waste slots on honor meta cards. Put those away. 👀

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in honor of the honor....

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No, I make a battle action that Levied can interrupt with Courage

😉

And more specifically, if I'm playing with Masatari Sensei, could ANY action be Interrupted with the Courage ability, allowing me to bring Levied Refugees into play once per turn if they're in my discard?

Question - Overwhelmed: "...enemy leader may target two in their current army and, if they did not, must target and destroy a personality..." Is the number of units sent home one or two or exactly two? Do you have to target exactly two personalities or destroy one or can you send home only one?

The move home must target exactly two personalities

ok that's what I thought, thank you.

Target and move two. If you cannot target 2, or if either movement is negated, destruction ensues

oh yeah I hadn't seen that interaction but thanks, it probably would have come up.

i can post potential examples of the card examples

There's no minimum of 1 on the card, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from

That card received an errata

errata version

Just a question on Kasada's Funeral... It says its ability will not be negated, but most negation that I am aware of says to negate the effects, not the ability. Is this supposed to be the same thing?

The ability is the Dynasty action that puts it into play

And I was asking about the minimum because at work, couldn't check the errata

Follow up question hasty memorial gives 2 gain 1 honor for the response, kf doesn't affect it since it's two separate gain 1's correct?

Post the card please?

that is interesting... the question is, is it good 😛

I also was thinking about this one..

for certainly other purpose i belive

it gives an interesting abilities, but will have to check it how it looks like in real game.

Question about Gusai Natsuko, Do the naval personalities you bow have to be at the same location as her?

Yes, since otherwise it'd specify "at any location"

quick query on this card. when you use the battle ability on the card to bow out a personality with 3 or more attachments it prevents the target from unbowing until that players newxt turn begins.

the question is regarding turn sequence order. from the comprehensive rulebook your turn begins and then you go into 0.0.1 action phase where you unbow all card and are able to take open actions (or limited in older editions).

does this card prevent the target from straightening during this straighten instance or does the personality straighten as normal?

Compare to the wording of Dark Ring of Air

I believe the answer is that Failure of Command will not prevent the personality straightening

Whereas Dark Air does prevent

As usual 😉

Does a raid battle create a new phase? If you say bow 4 gold to attach something that costs 2 does your 2 gold 'float' over to the raid battle?

It creates an attack phase, yeah

specifically as per the rules: " This is an additional Attack Phase where only one battlefield is created, not at any Province. "

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ok, cool, makes sense, double expendable is nice but I would rather having the ability over and over. small change to plans with that card but still like it

i don't know, just posing the hypothetical

neither do that, both play direct from the discard pile

RIP that idea then

there are a few options to do that but not many good options during battle, other than the new raids to raid, scout, kill target, then there are a couple of card to put followrs back into hand but that isn't the same battle which is what i was looking at as an option for tempo.

reminds me i have to build a control deck using the new raid and ambush to deal with people i don't like

additionally if they are killed and brought back are they broght back into the home or brought back into the same location as shokansuro?

so for question one he would gain the +2f -1C nonhuman and oni but not the shadowlands?

ok cool, was worried because of the will not gain would prevent the whole ability and then wanted to make sure he still gains nohuman and oni otherwise the combo here would be dumb as he would always die a human

As in ‘he restricts himself to eating humans’?

A Query came up in my last tourney game and did not want to hold up the game by posting the question during it but wanted to get clarification for future games.

With Kanpeki's Political Open: If I target an already dishonored Personality can the personalities player choose to a: not bow and then fail to dishonor and let me draw a card or b as they cannot dishonor the personality they are forced to choose to bow the targeted personality?

They are not forced to bow. Dishonor + card draw is the result of not bowing. If the target personality is already dishonored, you only get the card

ok that was how we played it as i bowed to a more knowledgeable player but is interesting to know for future games

It's similar to how Sanctioned Duel causes dishonor plus honor gain on declining the duel, but not as a cost, meaning if the target opposing personality was already dishonorable, you only get the honor gain

good to know that i can just let people gain honor on sanctioned duel and not lose people in the open phase

I've been meaning to try it with Hojatsu Sensei in bigger formats