is it intentional that Cross Blades can target any of your own Personalities, including bowed ones? Especially since the effect of the duel is bowing the loser
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If I use the Cavalry Engage to bring one one my Cavalry personality with another of my personalities, and that there are now unopposed, does it mean that I have to give -2 F to one of my own personality ?
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As i read it and as it says "after" you must give -2F your Personality even if you moved into current battlefield alone as this ability doesnt have "may".
That is correct, the trait is intentionally not optional
A question about the interaction between Hideyo Sensei and, for example, Retreating Salvo : does the trait which give -2 F apply immediately after the move, or does it apply after all the effect of the action ? In other words, can I give -2F before ranged 3 ?
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I believe theres typo on Sensei and there should be moved instead moves.
I'm curious why you think so
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There are traits, not responses. Traits triggers at specific moment while Response window is after whole responded action resolved.
ah you're talking about in the Response action itself
context is different, since there had just been discussion of the trait just above I was reading your issue as being with the trait
you might be right, we'll probably wait for the full editing pass to address
In other words, since it's established that traits trigger at the specific moment, the -2F from Hideyo Sensei would trigger before the Ranged 3 Attack from Retreating Salvo, if I'm understanding this right?
1) you announce movement ability like eg Cavalry Engage 2) Interrupt window - pass 3) movement action resolves 3a) Senseis trait triggers right after your Personality moved in, so you give -2F to any Personality at current location. 4) movement action resolved 5) Response window: you announce Response ability on Sensei. 5a) Response ability resolves, so if there's a typo and should be "moved" in its text, and you fulfilled its conditions, so your movement moved in Berserker Personality to the current battlefield, you may take additional action before -1F penalty from Sensei happens 6) As additional action you announce and resolve Retreating Salvo 7) Rest of Response resolves, so you give -1F to Berserker you moved in.
Don't think that's the question kempy. I think he means within Retreating Salvo, does the -2F proc before the Attack portion of the action, or are the move and attack portions simultaneous?
Ah, you are right.
In the former case, he can move, give an opposing 5F -2F, then kill it with 3 Attack
In the latter, he would not
Yes, penalty happens right after movement, so before RA.
If there would be "After an action resolved that moved your Personality" that penalty would happen after whole action resolves, including RA.
But now penalty is triggered right after movement.
Question:
[Cross blades]
Battle:
Opponent targets their person with [cross blades] to duel my person.
Regardless of winner or loser of "that duel"; next action=
i target my person with MY OWN [cross blades]; would that person (my person) gain 1 honor FOR BEING TARGETED a 2nd time (this turn/battle/by [cross blades])?
(The ENEMY has already targeted my person once with the duel/ card entitled [cross blades]?)
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This means this card, not the title of the card
"This" is still referring to targeting not "this card"
"This" also is referring to "This turn"
Has to be that copy of the card that targets to get the honor gain
Doesn't refer to the title of the card in the text of the ability at all
hmm i think it hast to be the very same card used by Discipline from your discard and paid 2
Could use a slight rewording for clarity during the next set of wording edits, to clarify for either interpretation
Self referential text only refers to that copy of itself unless explicitly stated.
Or add the honor gain as an effect to the discipline, maybe?
So if i have x3 [cross blades] in hand, they become A, B, C
A TO A = gain1 A TO C= NO GAIN, NO SOUP!?
Correct by my estimation
same are my thoughts
It's how I read it as well.
Macbeth is final word tho
In my limited experience with card games, if a card refers to the title if itself (Card A reads "Effect A, if target has been targeted by [Card A], Effect B") it includes other copies, if it refers to "this" it's only its own copy
Well, I can't speak to intent, but as written, the Clash means the same copy. A to A, no A to C.
Per what I said above about self-reference.
The "its own copy" interpretation also makes the Repeatable part make more sense, with any of your personalities being initially targetable balancing that in turn. If the honor gain stacked A to C, being able to target your bowed personalities would make this overpowered
So on the end it's 2 bow duels card where You pay 2 and banish a card
After all, imagine gaining 5 honor plus Honor discards from repeating the action on a bowed Personality
Yeep.. One word... MADNESS
This is implying my opponent is doing nothing to me
In practice, even if [cross blades] did that, its tough to keep presence
The weird thing is, your bowed guy could DUEL TO THE BOW, lose, still gain 1 honor, as honor gain is on targeting
"DUEL ME!" HYAHHH, YOU LOSE " DUELL MEE" HYAHHH YOU LOSE!! "the empress has honored my actions today, you are the loser; take em away otomo" wait, wut......
U was going to say something, but then forgot it has repeatable.
I forgot it had repeatable.
Do dishonorable personalities still have their personal honor reduced to 0, and do you lose honor when they are destroyed?
yes and yes
thank you thank you
Yes, if your dishonored Personality dies, you loose Family Honor equal to printed value of their Personal Honor.
Also, it's a subtle difference, but technically while dishonorable, a Personality's PH isn't reduced; rather, a maximum of 0 is imposed upon it.
I get that. I's important for things that would increase their PH while dishonored.