Rules for 25 and 26 December 2004

Your Rules for Saturday, December 25 and Sunday, December 26, 2004

Suitengu's Surge, Tengoku Acolytes and In Time of War

Does the honor gain happen before In Time of War checks my starting family honor for that turn, like Boastful Proclamation?

Surge says 'before' while Boastful says 'at the start' - does that mean I'm gaining honor in the previous player's turn, and In Time of War would cap my gain at 5 even if I had 3 Acolytes in play?

Or does the Dragon return to play in some moment between turns - after the previous player's turn has finished but before mine starts? Does that make it impossible to satisfy the once per turn restriction?

That's a right mess there.

By past precident in the Rulebook "After the end of the turn," comes before, "Before the beginning of the next turn."

That does, at first glance, create a gap of time in between the two turns. I can find any immediate leads to work with, though Jeff may have fielded something similar to this a while ago. Let me forward this over to him to check it out real quick.

Chieh-Kuro's Fire-Otaku followup

What is the combined Force + Chi of a personality in the Dead Pile, for the purposes of Kuro's Fire?

Personalities in the Discard Pile still have Force and Chi values. For the purposes of resolving a cast Spell, I need to double-check with Jeff. I have precident on what to do with cards when Actions destroy them as a cost (To Do What We Must), but I'm not sure that "Last Known Value" principle extends to being killed by a Reaction or some other sort of trigger.

That said, I spoke incorrectly about killing Chieh. Consecutive Ranged Attacks - do - run afoul of one thing if you destroy the caster of Kuro's Fire - targeting. Each one is targeted in sequence, so if the Personality is in the Discard Pile when you need to target an opposing card for the next Ranged Attack, you won't be able to find a legal target.

However, other kinds of unresolved effects that don't require sequential targeting of "opposing" cards - would - resolve even with the caster in the Discard Pile.

As for the Statistics, thing, I'll get back to you as soon as Jeff gets back to me.

Gozoku/Political Adjunct

Basicly someone posted a deck with that trick in it. I asked if it actually worked. Ben Palmer posted and said he was pretty sure it did. The Marty posted and said it did indeed work, so long as the Adjunct was in the current Battle."

So. I am guessing that you already know my question after this long wind-up...

Is the Gozoku/PA combo legal to lock-down someone not at the current battle if the PA is in the current battle; or is the previously stated ruling here all encompassing, and it is an illegal play regardless of what battle the PA is at.

It might have happened. I've made mistakes before, especially outside the official rulings. That said, the ruling on the books, established by the Rules Junta, is in the Archive:

"Using a separate action on a card in battle (e.g., Political Adjunct) to help pay part of the cost of a card out of battle (e.g., Gozoku Sensei) does not satisfy the requirement for relevance. [ML, 29 September 2004]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Battle: Action Segment"

That should cover everything for Saturday and Sunday. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your Clear and Distinct subject line. I'll get back to you at the first opportunity.