Rules for 1 October 2004

Your Rules for Friday, October 1, 2004

RULES - entering play dishonored

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Hi, I would like to ask if this ruling means that the rulebook phrase "(The Personal Honor of a Personality who "enters play dishonored" is 0 for this purpose.)" is completely negated in all cases (Toturi etc.). As I understand it, there are two different cases (please correct me if I'm wrong):

[MARTY] This only applies to Setai Sensei, because Setai Sensei involves a choice as to whether or not the personality enters play dishonored, and until that choice is made, the personality is NOT entering play dishonored. That choice happens to have the same timing as the Honor Gain for bringing a personality into play, so you have Conflicting Simultaneous Effects. Active player chooses which order to resolve them in, and the active player will typically choose to gain the Honor before he has to choose between Dishonor and -1F.

RULES - Kyuden Agasha

What's the gold cost of the zero gold cost spells in Kyuden Agasha? Is it zero as in the spell or is it one due to Kyuden Agasha?

Kyuden Agasha says, "All Spells you own cost 2 less Gold, to a minimum of 1." That's an effect with a minimum modification. That 2 Gold Reduction from Kyuden Agasha can not carry a Spell's cost below 1. Since the Spell's cost is already less than 1, the minimum value for the reduction won't matter.

Direct Assault after Archer Squad

Can I bow a unit that has his personality bowed? Example: I have an army with 4 bushi with 1 follower each. I play archer squad and bow the personalities for the ranged attacks, then i play direct assault. Can I bow the units with unbowed followers for the action or must the personality be unbowed for that. Direct assault says "bow a unit", not "bow a personality", so if I have unbowed followers does that count as unbowed units?

A Unit is a Personality and all his or her attached cards (Diamond Edition Rulebook, page 105). If any of those cards are not unbowed, then the unit is not bowed. If any of those cards do not go from unbowed to bowed status, then you have not "bowed a unit."

So, if the Personality, Follower, Item, or Ancestor in a given unit is bowed, you can't pay the cost "bow a unit" (such as that of Direct Assault) by just bowing the remaining cards in the unit.

Question

Let's say that a player has Kakita Chiyeko bowed in a battle. He plays a Steel on Steel, using Chiyeko's Reaction, but his opponent negates the unbowing with Victory of the Wolf. What happens in this situation?

He's failed to pay the Cost of the Action. The Diamond Edition Rulebook, page 72, paragraph 3, addresses this.

To summarize, the player gets Steel on Steel back wherever it came from (probably his hand), no other costs are refunded, and the attempt is Canceled. The next player now gets an opportunity to take a Battle or Open Action, or Pass. The player whose Action was canceled does not count as having Passed.

rule- katsu experienced

I'd like to know if its possible to bring katsu twice back from your discard pile. situation: katsu is dead in my discard pile with a copy of him trough egg of panku. I bow my stronghold to bring katsu into play and straiten my stronghold with hero's grave. Can i bring then my egg into play since the katsu says to ignore all costs and restrictions?

This looks more like a question of whether or not you can bring a second copy of Katsu into play. Since Katsu says, 'Ignoring all costs and restrictions,' you can ignore the restriction of the Uniqueness Rule.

You could even bring back your Katsu and Egg of Katsu by this special ability when your opponent has his Katsu in play.

Implied Traits

Since I cna't seem to find a list anywhere, would it be possible to see a comprehensive list of all currently effective Implied Traits?

Page 65 of the Diamond Edition Rulebook handles the implicitness issues with Faction Traits. The Glossary also has some relevant entries under the various traits, such as Undead, Ratling, Mujina, Oni, Human, Infantry, Cavalry, Diplomat / Courtier, and Creature.

Patronage

The personality bowing to bay the cost of Patronage is considered to be performing it, correct?

Yes, he's bowing as a cost of playing the Action.

If this is the case, and said personality were dishonored, would the Patronage rehonor them instead of creating the 2 honor at end of turn?

Yes

That should cover everything from Friday, October 1, 2004. If I missed your question unrelated to Dawn of the Empire, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your distinct and clear subject line. I'll get back to you at the first opportunity.