Rules for 30 September

Your Rules for Thursday, September 30, 2004

Crystal mine and Money lenders

Yesterday i was playing and i bowed Crystal mine and moneylender to make 6 gold, the other guy started telling me i can't do that because the moneylender was not a Gold producing holding because it don't have a number in the Gold Production part,

It bows to produce gold under its own power (even if it is 0 Gold) and so it is a Gold Producing Holding. You can use an "empty" Moneylender with a Crystal Mine.

Fwd from Jeff - Dawn of the Empire Question from L5R-CCG

Here you go, folks.

Dawn of the Empire responses from Jeff.

Enjoy! - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey

Rules Question - FW: Dawn of the Empire Question from L5R-CCG

This one's all you, Jeff! :)

- Marty

--- In, Marty,

Allways a pleasure being the only on in my local play group with reliable computer access, so here are two Dawn Questions. I realize you may need to bounce these up to Jeff, but here goes:

Question one:

Can Yukue and or Kajiko be bowed to pay for Kaimetsu-Uo?

No. You are not paying to gain a Province. You are paying to put a Personality into play.

Question two is a question concerning the use of Otaku:

Assume a range 3 attack targets and destroys a follower in Otaku's army.

Does her ability create a range 3 attack she can apply to a legal target in the opposing army? Or can she destroy any card in the opposing army? Such as a 10f Kuon? Or a personality with followers regardless of force?

Yes, yes, yes. "The same effect" on Otaku refers to the "destroyed, bowed, or moved home" clause.

Dawn plus Barbarian Wall

With the current rules and templating, when is the card drawn? for Way of the Horse and Chariot. When you play the card on a target to gain the ability, or when you use the permanent range attack ability in battle, or both, or neither?

To answer this in more general terms, the quotation marks are there for a reason. When a card says:

Target Personality / Holding / Player gains, "Some ability text." Do something else.

Then only the part in quotation marks in granted. Everything else sticks with the original Action.

Also.. this was not answered with a "yes" or "no" by Marty or Jeff, and my question even had [Rules] in the subject line. Does the Barbarian Wall's open action to change a province strength to its base strength temporarily remove the permanent province strength bonus given by Lessons From Earth.

It is a simple Bonus / Penalty effect, like any other. It will completely wipe-out the bonus from Lessons

From Earth on the subject Province for the duration of the ability of Barbarian Wall (end of turn).

Same thing for Importune Kami.

Same answer.

Fwd from Jeff - Setai Sensei and entering play Dishonored

Hey folks,

Jeff got us a fast turnaround on this one.

Enjoy highering all those Lions for honor and THEN dishonoring them. :)

- Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey

Rules Question - Setai Sensei and entering play Dishonored

It is a case of conflicting simultaneous effects (an effect that depends on a number, and a change to that number, cannot occur at the same time). Active player decides the order. It goes directly against intent and all playtest, but the rules are clear.

That should cover everything from Thursday, September 30, 2004. If I missed your question unrelated to Dawn of the Empire, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your distinct and clear subject line. I'll get back to you at the first opportunity.