Rules for 30 April 2004

Rules for Friday, April 30, 2004

Bone of the Tattered Ear

What kind of tokens are the Pack tokens? Are they followers? In a previous post from around September when mentioned with the Dragon Pearl it was ruled that the tokens did not effect the Bone and therefore could not be copied by the Dragon Pearl. That makes it sound like they would be a type of follower token. Would that not be correct? And if so do they classify as Ratling Packs?

They not follower tokens, nor are the "permanent changes to the card." They are Pack tokens, and nothing else - not Items, not Followers, not Ratlings, just Pack tokens for what it is worth.

The Legions Charge + Show of Good Faith

I took a Personality with SoGF and ditched it to Refuge of the Three Sisters, obtained a Kolat Assassin and killed another of my opponent's personalities.

He played The Legion's Charge. I don't think that is a legal play because I only killed one of his personalities as the other was my personality at the time of destruction. My opponent disagrees with that assessment.

So did I satisfy the trigger for The Legion's Charge?

Nope. It wasn't one of his cards when you used Refuge of the Three Sisters. Also, she wasn't destroyed, she was removed from the game.

"Being removed from the game or discarded does not count as destruction. [24 May 1999; JA, 15 October 2002]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Death and Destruction")

More questions!

[> t5396.1: 1) Can the Ichiro's Yumi ranged attack be combined] with a ranged attack from

[> t5396.1: another card in the unit? It seems to be "no"] because you don't know if the

[> t5396.1: personality will have a low enough force to be able] to use the Yumi ranged

[> t5396.1: attack in the first place (because you don't know if] it will be redirected or

I don't see why any of that matters. You could have 800 Force and still be a legal target for a Ranged 0 attack. The first effect shouldn't change the legality of the second effect one iota 99% of the time. It may change the ultimate outcome though (lives or dies).

However, what Jeff says still stands, the RA is conditional on targeting legality once the first effect is resolved, which will run afoul of this rule.

"Combining Ranged Attacks must be announced when the action is announced, before targeting. [Reversal, JA, 8 December 2003]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Ranged Attacks")

2) If I have a personality with Kuro's Fire in a battle, and my opponent moves someone out, can I use Taut Bowstrings to shoot with the Kuro's Fire? If so, is the ranged attack coming from the Kuro's or the personality?

Taut Bowstrings says, "Reaction: Play after a unit moves into a Province or before a unit leaves a Province to make a ranged attack targeting it from your opposing cards in that Province. Your cards need not bow to produce this attack."

You can produce one RA from Kuro's Fire combined with any other cards in that same unit and none of them need bow. The RA comes from the Kuro's Fire, but the caster need not bow.

3) If I have a bowed personality in a battle that has a ranged attack, can they use that ranged attack as part of Taut Bowstrings?

You still can't use Actions on your bowed cards, even if you need not bow to produce the Action.

Strategic Assassin and Hida Katai

Can you attach Strategic Assassin to Hida Katai as a battle action?

Related text:

Strategic Assassin: "Will only attach to a Samurai, Bushi, or Ninja. Will attach to a Scorpian Clan or Ninja Personality regardless of Personal Honor. You may attach Strategic Assassin from your hand as a Battle action."

Hida Katai: "Once per turn, you may attach a Follower to Katai from your discard pile as if it were in your hand."

Well, when applying Katai's trait, the answer to "Is that card coming from your hand?" is "Yes." That means you could attach Strategic Assassins from the Discard Pile to Hida Katai once per turn.

More questions...

If Shiba Yoma is in a battle and an opposing unit moves out or in, can I Taut Bowstrings and use a ranged attack from a personality with a spell outside the battle?

Ditto with Agasha Chieh exp.

Taut Bowstrings is actually a pretty messy card in terms of clear rulings. I'm going to say, "Yes," on both these questions, but I could see it going the other way if Jeff wanted to. Those units are considered opposing when they cast their spell to make their Ranged Attack, so they should be as eligible as anyone else when you check to see if the move is legal.

Wedge/Movement

Based on the recent Kwanchai xp rulings, if one of my Wedged Personalities gets sent home (Block Supply Lines, for instance), am I correct in assuming I can use the Right Hand to negate the movement? If I am extrapolating correctly, I am targeting and negating the movement, not the Wedged Personality.

Correct

Question about singular and contested holding.

If I contested holding someones Singular holding, and get control of it does it still count as them having it in play? ie as singular they cannot bring out another?

It counts as its current controller's one copy he can have in play at a time.

if not, what happens If i gain control of a singualar holding and already the same singular holding out

You can't. That effect is Negated.

That looks like it for the stuff that wasn't taken care of in-thread, Friday, April 30, 2004. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] in the subject line.

Thanks folks,