"Law of Darkness Dojo" and "Cowed and Defeated"

L5R CCG Rules board, 23 July 2012 to 24 July 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 23 July 2012

Relevant Text:

Law of Darkness Dojo After another player loses Honor from your Battle action: He loses 1 Honor.

Cowed and Defeated Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Courtier or Magistrate and target a Personality: Dishonor him. His controller loses 1 Honor. After the next time (this turn) another player's action resolves that targeted your performer or a battle resolves which destroyed him, the target's controller loses 2 Honor.

In the case that the performing Courtier/Magistrate get targeted with an action or a battle resolves which destroyed him, does the opposing player lose a total of 4 (1 from the action itself, 1 from the trait on Law of Darkness Dojo, and 2 from the delayed effect of the action) or 5 (Law of Darkness' trait apply to both the initial honor loss AND the 2 from the delayed effect)?

Thanks!

Alex Jones (rules official), 24 July 2012

Relevant Text:

Law of Darkness Dojo After another player loses Honor from your Battle action: He loses 1 Honor.

Cowed and Defeated Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Courtier or Magistrate and target a Personality: Dishonor him. His controller loses 1 Honor. After the next time (this turn) another player's action resolves that targeted your performer or a battle resolves which destroyed him, the target's controller loses 2 Honor.

In the case that the performing Courtier/Magistrate get targeted with an action or a battle resolves which destroyed him, does the opposing player lose a total of 4 (1 from the action itself, 1 from the trait on Law of Darkness Dojo, and 2 from the delayed effect of the action) or 5 (Law of Darkness' trait apply to both the initial honor loss AND the 2 from the delayed effect)?

Thanks!

Both the initial 1 Honour loss and the delayed 2 Honour loss will trigger Law of Darkness Dojo. If you play Cowed and Defeated out of Law of Darkness Dojo, your opponent will lose 2 or 5 honour.