A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 25 June 2012
Hi, I was wondering if it was possible to copy a loyal personality with Amazing Feat. My first reaction would have been to say no, but then I thought a little bit about it and found a timing problem.
Here's the reasoning: I'm a Crane player, I bow my performing artisan and target Shosuro Ritoru who is a legal target since he isn't unique.
If I follow Amazing Feat text, I create a personnality "with the same base Force, Chi, Personal Honor and keywords".
Among those keyword is loyal which normally avoid me to control a personnality who is not affiliated to my clan "either by bringing into play or by changing control". So it's fair to assume that for this trait to work it has to be written on a card in or out of play
But the trick here is that the loyal trait only exist when the personnality has already been created and is therefore already controlled.
What do you think, can I copy a loyal personality with Amazing Feat or not ?
Amazing Feat Limited: Bow your performing Artisan Personality and target a non-Unique Personality: Create a Personality with the same base Force, Chi, Personal Honor and keywords as the targeted Personality, who permanently copies all his base abilities except those that copy abilities. Remove the created Personality from the game when your next turn begins.
Loyal
A Personality with the Loyal keyword will not become controlled by a player who does not share a Clan alignment with that Personality - either by bringing into play or by changing control.
Alex Jones (rules official), 25 June 2012
Hi, I was wondering if it was possible to copy a loyal personality with Amazing Feat. My first reaction would have been to say no, but then I thought a little bit about it and found a timing problem.
Here's the reasoning: I'm a Crane player, I bow my performing artisan and target Shosuro Ritoru who is a legal target since he isn't unique.
If I follow Amazing Feat text, I create a personnality "with the same base Force, Chi, Personal Honor and keywords".
Among those keyword is loyal which normally avoid me to control a personnality who is not affiliated to my clan "either by bringing into play or by changing control". So it's fair to assume that for this trait to work it has to be written on a card in or out of play
But the trick here is that the loyal trait only exist when the personnality has already been created and is therefore already controlled.
What do you think, can I copy a loyal personality with Amazing Feat or not ?
Amazing Feat Limited: Bow your performing Artisan Personality and target a non-Unique Personality: Create a Personality with the same base Force, Chi, Personal Honor and keywords as the targeted Personality, who permanently copies all his base abilities except those that copy abilities. Remove the created Personality from the game when your next turn begins.
Loyal
A Personality with the Loyal keyword will not become controlled by a player who does not share a Clan alignment with that Personality - either by bringing into play or by changing control.
You may target a Loyal Personality with Amazing Feat, and the created Personality will copy the Loyal keyword. However, after you create the Personality, you must bring him into play, and that will fail if you do not share a Clan Alignment with him.
See Created cards: Some effects may create cards in the course of the game. ... They go through the normal steps of entering play when created.