Visage of the Orochi and Know no Fear

L5R CCG Rules board, 29 February 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 29 February 2012

I play Visage of the Orochi and choose as my optional target an opposing Samurai. My opponent reacts with know no fear, since Visage is a fear action. Am I right in thinking that my personality's force has been already raised to 6 and that force bonus will not be negated, as it comes before the playing of Know no Fear?

Relevant texts:

Visage of the Orochi Thunder • Fear Battle: Choose your performing opposed unbowed Thunder Personality: Raise his Force to 6. You may target and bow an enemy card with lower Force and no attachments.

Know no Fear Bushido Virtue • Courage Reaction: After a Fear action targets your performing Samurai: Negate its effects.

Alex Jones (rules official), 29 February 2012

I play Visage of the Orochi and choose as my optional target an opposing Samurai. My opponent reacts with know no fear, since Visage is a fear action. Am I right in thinking that my personality's force has been already raised to 6 and that force bonus will not be negated, as it comes before the playing of Know no Fear?

Relevant texts:

Visage of the Orochi Thunder • Fear Battle: Choose your performing opposed unbowed Thunder Personality: Raise his Force to 6. You may target and bow an enemy card with lower Force and no attachments.

Know no Fear Bushido Virtue • Courage Reaction: After a Fear action targets your performing Samurai: Negate its effects.

The ongoing force bonus from Visage of the Orochi is negated by Know No Fear.

See Duration and scope of prevention effects, in particular: Continuous and ongoing effects that came into being before a relevant prevention effect was applied are still affected by it, by default. Continuous and ongoing effects that came into being after a relevant prevention effect was applied are also affected by it while the prevention lasts, by default.

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If a prevention effect is already being applied and prevents a new ongoing effect, the new ongoing effect never happens; it does not re-assert itself when the prevention effect ends.