Know no Fear vs Trap is Sprung

L5R CCG Rules board, 11 February 2012 to 12 February 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 11 February 2012

If I, being a Crane player, play "The Trap is Sprung!" targeting a samurai with a follower, then what will get bowed?

Trap is Sprung bows the samurai and then bows the unit if it's user is Crane Clan. However, Know no Fear negates the bowing from the action's effects. Thus, I was wondering it would negate both instances of the bowing in The Trap is Sprung's effect or just the first instance of bowing. Regardless, the follower would still get bowed, correct?

Jon Palmer (rules official), 11 February 2012

If I, being a Crane player, play "The Trap is Sprung!" targeting a samurai with a follower, then what will get bowed?

Trap is Sprung bows the samurai and then bows the unit if it's user is Crane Clan. However, Know no Fear negates the bowing from the action's effects. Thus, I was wondering it would negate both instances of the bowing in The Trap is Sprung's effect or just the first instance of bowing. Regardless, the follower would still get bowed, correct?

Know No Fear negates the Samurai's bowing from the action's effects, and both bowing him and bowing the unit are effects that bow him, therefore, he will not bow. However, if you are a Crane Clan player the follower will still be bowed.

A player, 12 February 2012

Regarding: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96188

The end result is different if the Crane player targets the follower. Since the samurai isn't targeted the Know No Fear isn't triggered. This results in the entire unit being bowed, correct?

Jon Palmer (rules official), 12 February 2012

Regarding: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96188

The end result is different if the Crane player targets the follower. Since the samurai isn't targeted the Know No Fear isn't triggered. This results in the entire unit being bowed, correct?

Unless the follower itself is a Samurai, correct.