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A player, 17 January 2012
I'm surprised I couldn't find this already. I would have thought this would have been asked under old seppuku rules (which I believe did the same thing)
If you have Yasuki Daiki target somebody and they choose to lose 2 honor, but then the honor loss is negated or reduced, does it still trigger? In a game I was playing against a forgotten temple and it came up, could he choose to lose 2 honor? it says 'if he did not lose 2 honor" not "if he did not choose to lose 2 honor", so I say that forgotten temple cannot reasonably pick that option (because he then would have not paid 4 gold or have lost 2 honor) but my friend felt that wasn't intended by design since you could blow up a deeds and words in response to ensure they can't assign to battles.
Just wanted to cross it by a rules team to make sure I was reading it right, or make sure I don't plan on that working if it comes up.
Text that matters: Yasuki Daiki:
Political Open: Target another player's Personality: His controller chooses to either pay 4 Gold, lose 2 Honor, or do neither. If he did not pay 4 Gold or lose 2 Honor, the Personality may not be assigned, and will not move, into attacking armies
Forgotten Temple:
Before you lose Honor: Reduce the loss to 1, which may not be increased.
Deeds and words [quote]Reaction: Before the resolution of an action during the Action Phase, destroy this card: Choose one of the Honor gains or losses from its effects. Reduce it to 0.[quote]
Jon Palmer (rules official), 17 January 2012
I'm surprised I couldn't find this already. I would have thought this would have been asked under old seppuku rules (which I believe did the same thing)
If you have Yasuki Daiki target somebody and they choose to lose 2 honor, but then the honor loss is negated or reduced, does it still trigger? In a game I was playing against a forgotten temple and it came up, could he choose to lose 2 honor? it says 'if he did not lose 2 honor" not "if he did not choose to lose 2 honor", so I say that forgotten temple cannot reasonably pick that option (because he then would have not paid 4 gold or have lost 2 honor) but my friend felt that wasn't intended by design since you could blow up a deeds and words in response to ensure they can't assign to battles.
Just wanted to cross it by a rules team to make sure I was reading it right, or make sure I don't plan on that working if it comes up.
Text that matters: Yasuki Daiki:
Forgotten Temple:
Deeds and words [quote]Reaction: Before the resolution of an action during the Action Phase, destroy this card: Choose one of the Honor gains or losses from its effects. Reduce it to 0.[quote]
Thankfully the wording tells you exactly what happens if either of the first two options are interfered with. If he did not actually lose the 2 honor (due to Forgotten Temple's trait, Unimpeachable Name, or whatever), the Personality will not assign to and cannot move into attacking armies.
A player, 17 January 2012
regarding this ruling viewtopic.php?f=59&t=95754
What happens when the honor loss in increased by, say, denounced on stage? Is it true that because the honor loss is *not two* the conditions of Yasuki Daiki is again unfulfilled and the personality cannot move or assign? There is no "at least" clause or anything of the sort, so I assume this to be the case as well.
Alex Jones (rules official), 21 January 2012
regarding this ruling viewtopic.php?f=59&t=95754
What happens when the honor loss in increased by, say, denounced on stage? Is it true that because the honor loss is *not two* the conditions of Yasuki Daiki is again unfulfilled and the personality cannot move or assign? There is no "at least" clause or anything of the sort, so I assume this to be the case as well.
If you lose more than 2 honour, you have still lost 2 honour, so the Personality may be assigned, etc.
See Special wording rules, Numbers of things: When something checks for the presence of a number of things that is two or more, the check is met by more than that number of those things.