Attack Phase Declaration

L5R CCG Rules board, 8 November 2011 to 9 November 2011

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 8 November 2011

In the answer to the question regarding Twisted Fate and the additional action

How does one start an Attack Phase?

I'm now confused as to whether it is:

a trait triggered by the conclusion of the Action Phase?

or

The option to attack is a part of the attack phase and it comes after the initial action phase with the active player having the option to decline to proceed?

Thank you for taking the time to clarify this for me

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 8 November 2011

In the answer to the question regarding Twisted Fate and the additional action

How does one start an Attack Phase?

I'm now confused as to whether it is:

a trait triggered by the conclusion of the Action Phase?

or

The option to attack is a part of the attack phase and it comes after the initial action phase with the active player having the option to decline to proceed?

Thank you for taking the time to clarify this for me

If the question is, "Is the attack phase optional, or does it always happen?", it's always optional.

It's not a "trait," as traits are somethings cards have, not the steps of the turn.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Sequence_of_pla ... ptional.29: "After the Action Phase the active player may create an Attack Phase if he or she wishes. This attack is optional. "

A player, 9 November 2011

I am still unclear as to how these two rulings combine

according to macbeth http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=93379&p=1235103&hilit=twisted+fate#p1235103

Just as an effect giving you an additional Battle won't automatically give your opponent an additional action based upon the logic that you sequentially take turns taking Battle actions, the effect of Twisted Fate creating additional Action Phase doesn't give anyone the opportunity to declare additional Attack Phases.Rules question? Click my sig banner!

MacBeth2001 L5R CCG Rules Junta

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according to Zen http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=94813

from comp rules : After the Action Phase the active player may create an Attack Phase if he or she wishes. This attack is optional. "

Now Macbeth has said that this second action phase does not trigger the after the action phase clause so I would like to know why it doesn't or what prevents a player from using it.

According to the comp rules the action phase would need to be worded as this action phase to prevent the desired second attack.

Thank you for your answer,

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 9 November 2011

I am still unclear as to how these two rulings combine

according to macbeth http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=93379&p=1235103&hilit=twisted+fate#p1235103

Just as an effect giving you an additional Battle won't automatically give your opponent an additional action based upon the logic that you sequentially take turns taking Battle actions, the effect of Twisted Fate creating additional Action Phase doesn't give anyone the opportunity to declare additional Attack Phases.Rules question? Click my sig banner!

MacBeth2001 L5R CCG Rules Junta

Posts: 2826 Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:50 am Location: SW Michigan USA Private messageAIM

according to Zen http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=94813

from comp rules : After the Action Phase the active player may create an Attack Phase if he or she wishes. This attack is optional. "

Now Macbeth has said that this second action phase does not trigger the after the action phase clause so I would like to know why it doesn't or what prevents a player from using it.

According to the comp rules the action phase would need to be worded as this action phase to prevent the desired second attack.

Thank you for your answer,

The rules wiki has been cleaned up to remove the text, "After the Action phase." That text was not meant to imply either a trigger or a timing point.