Scandalous Rumors and Law of Darkness Dojo

L5R CCG Rules board, 10 September 2011 to 11 September 2011

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 10 September 2011

It's come to question whether the honor loss from Scandalous Rumors is one large loss or individual losses for each personality.

how would one seppuku that loss? can you?

And the big question is if they are individual losses does Law of Darkness Dojo increase each loss by one.

Thanks

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 11 September 2011

It's come to question whether the honor loss from Scandalous Rumors is one large loss or individual losses for each personality.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Glossary_F#For_each: "Proportional effects using the term “for each”... should be interpreted as a single effect rather than numerous separate effects." (Emphasis added.)

how would one seppuku that loss? can you?

No, you cannot, as the personalities causing the honor loss were not targeted, which is a requirement for the player ability.

And the big question is if they are individual losses does Law of Darkness Dojo increase each loss by one.

Moot.

A player, 11 September 2011

RE: viewtopic.php?p=1244043#p1244043

Zen Faulkes wrote:

Yoritomo Zenko wrote: how would one seppuku that loss? can you?

No, you cannot, as the personalities causing the honor loss were not targeted, which is a requirement for the player ability.

Scandalous Rumors makes the opponent target their own personalities, does this not count as being targeted for the honor loss?

Wording: Battle: Bow your performing Courtier at any location: The Attacker may target any of his Personalities at the current battlefield and move them home. He loses 1 Honor for each of his Personalities there that this did not move, then dishonors them.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 11 September 2011

RE: viewtopic.php?p=1244043#p1244043

Scandalous Rumors makes the opponent target their own personalities, does this not count as being targeted for the honor loss?

Wording: Battle: Bow your performing Courtier at any location: The Attacker may target any of his Personalities at the current battlefield and move them home. He loses 1 Honor for each of his Personalities there that this did not move, then dishonors them.

Well, the trick is, you would have to target at least one Personality and send him home, then he could seppuku the loss for all the ones that stayed.

But if you leave ALL your Personalities at the battle and lose honor for all of them, which I think is the scenario my colleague was assuming, then you've targeted none of them and there is no one who can seppuku.