A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 10 July 2011
I'm concerned about the rulings of flanked by nightmares. i have read alot including iron will and kuon trait. honestly i don't see how it makes any differance who does the targeting. i will argue my case about the Hida Kuon exp 6 trait specifically but i hope that you can reconsider the others.(i will simply refer to Hida Kuon exp 6 as kuon for the remainder of the thread.)
Kuon text: After the first time each battle another player's action targets Kuon: If he is the only Personality in his army, the action's (remaining) effects do not happen.
Flanked by Nightmares text: Battle: If your current army has more units than the current enemy army, bow your target Shadowlands Personality: The enemy leader targets and destroys a Personality in his current army
I understand that because the enemy doesn't target kuon, the trait does not trigger. however, on further inspection, it doesnt seem like it should matter. Kuon's trait does not require the enemy to target. it does require an enemy action that targets kuon. just because kuon is targeted by his owner, the source of the action is still the enemy, or in other words and enemy action has indeed, after all is said and done, targeted kuon.
the main arguement that contradicts mine is that i have is that the targeting of kuon happens in the effects part of Flanked by nightmares. however contraversly, flanked by nightmares and the requirements of kuon's trait activating are ALL fulfilled before the action finishes.
i hope to persuade the rules junta to re-evaluate previous rulings concerning kuon and perhaps other rulings that are related.
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 10 July 2011
I'm concerned about the rulings of flanked by nightmares. i have read alot including iron will and kuon trait. honestly i don't see how it makes any differance who does the targeting. i will argue my case about the Hida Kuon exp 6 trait specifically but i hope that you can reconsider the others.(i will simply refer to Hida Kuon exp 6 as kuon for the remainder of the thread.)
Kuon text: After the first time each battle another player's action targets Kuon: If he is the only Personality in his army, the action's (remaining) effects do not happen.
Flanked by Nightmares text: Battle: If your current army has more units than the current enemy army, bow your target Shadowlands Personality: The enemy leader targets and destroys a Personality in his current army
I understand that because the enemy doesn't target kuon, the trait does not trigger. however, on further inspection, it doesnt seem like it should matter. Kuon's trait does not require the enemy to target. it does require an enemy action that targets kuon. just because kuon is targeted by his owner, the source of the action is still the enemy, or in other words and enemy action has indeed, after all is said and done, targeted kuon.
the main arguement that contradicts mine is that i have is that the targeting of kuon happens in the effects part of Flanked by nightmares. however contraversly, flanked by nightmares and the requirements of kuon's trait activating are ALL fulfilled before the action finishes.
i hope to persuade the rules junta to re-evaluate previous rulings concerning kuon and perhaps other rulings that are related.
When referring to previous rulings, please provide a link to them in your post.
However, I should inform you that if all the conditions of it are met, Kuon's trait WILL prevent the effects of Flanked by Nightmares.
If there are rulings to the contrary, they are in error or outdated.
A player, 11 July 2011
My previous post about Flanked by nightmares found here:http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=92321
was in response to the ruling made here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=77405&p=1014017&hilit=flanked#p1014017
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 11 July 2011
My previous post about Flanked by nightmares found here:http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=92321
was in response to the ruling made here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=77405&p=1014017&hilit=flanked#p1014017
As I said, that ruling is out of date. Note that it predates Kuon's erratum of August 9th, 2009 (as well as his Most Recent Printing in CE15).