A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 27 May 2011
Hello,
I looked for this question but couldn't find it, sorry if it has already been asked or posted!
I was playing a casual game with a good friend and we ran into a situation where we were disagreed on the wording of the card "Arrival of the Obsidian Champion."
In the name of honor and keeping a great friendship intact (I was losing anyways) we decided to play on, and afterward we would come here and find out.
The card states you select a Personality, and permanently set his force to 10, and his chi to 2.
He played this card on his personality. I was playing against him with a Mantis deck, specifically using the strong hold Kyuden Ashinagabachi, which allows you to essentially chip away at an enemy personality's force if you cannot destroy it with a ranged attack.
I went into the battle with the idea that I could deal a total of 10 Ranged Attack damage to the Obsidian Champion, thus destroying him. My opponent argued that his force was permanently set at 10 no matter what, and that I couldn't reduce it with battle actions. I thought his base value was changed and considered 10 but could still be reduced.
Which is correct? Is his personality's force forever placed at force 10? Or can his force be reduced during battle?
Any help would be appreciated. Again it was a casual game setting. I lost the game due to a few other mistakes but I do think if I was right in this situation it would have changed the outcome.
Thanks!
-The Spitfired
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 27 May 2011
Hello,
I looked for this question but couldn't find it, sorry if it has already been asked or posted!
I was playing a casual game with a good friend and we ran into a situation where we were disagreed on the wording of the card "Arrival of the Obsidian Champion."
In the name of honor and keeping a great friendship intact (I was losing anyways) we decided to play on, and afterward we would come here and find out.
The card states you select a Personality, and permanently set his force to 10, and his chi to 2.
He played this card on his personality. I was playing against him with a Mantis deck, specifically using the strong hold Kyuden Ashinagabachi, which allows you to essentially chip away at an enemy personality's force if you cannot destroy it with a ranged attack.
I went into the battle with the idea that I could deal a total of 10 Ranged Attack damage to the Obsidian Champion, thus destroying him. My opponent argued that his force was permanently set at 10 no matter what, and that I couldn't reduce it with battle actions. I thought his base value was changed and considered 10 but could still be reduced.
Which is correct? Is his personality's force forever placed at force 10? Or can his force be reduced during battle?
Any help would be appreciated. Again it was a casual game setting. I lost the game due to a few other mistakes but I do think if I was right in this situation it would have changed the outcome.
Thanks!
-The Spitfired
http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Glossary_P-Q#Permanent.28ly.29: "Having a duration until the end of the game. A permanent cost or effect can still be ended by other effects, such as negation."
To which I add that permanent does not mean "cannot be altered." It's about duration, not what can happen to it. Permanent bonuses can be reduced, increased, etc.